LMAO!!! Now your comparing the SRT4 to the Charger, If you think thats a full size sedan, you have a long way to go. And Again like I said your 12 sec mirada has alot more than bolt ons, so your intial post about it is completely irrelevant.

"stop double and triple posting"

Its called a replyyyyyy, I dont know what else to tell ya. I make 1 reply for every 1 I receive.

Do you think you can have compared your cars to something other than my truck? Thats like Said My truck can go through the mud Much better than your cars..... Seriously man, you need to start comparing apples & apples.

It looks like you don’t wannt reply to my other psot.

So again is the Charger not in those #s, or isnt available yet ?? LOL

 

Yes it is like I have scene a Charger RT Beat a Stang in the slalom ,I work for Chrysler, and at ride & drives we compare all performance aspects.


First off, who the hell was talking about WHP. where do you come up with these points? How could anyone expect you to know where you get my #s you dont even know they exist. LOL
For you lack of common Chrysler knowledge by not understanding that they commonly underrate their performance engines. Why dont you take a look here http://www.svtperformance.com./forum...6&page=1&pp=25 If you would pay attention to things other than 2 Door Mitsubishi cars that have been re-badged to Dodge, maybe you have the slightlest clue. And BTW This 6.1 only had 300 mile on it, and was not broken in.

Did I ever say I was an authority?? Maybe you just feel stupid.......????? But I dont assume or accuse like you, so I wont say If you feel that way or not. But it seems very possible.

Thats Funny, cause every top model "overweight family sedan" that Chrysler makes now would smoke your Mitsushishi 2 door like it was standing still even on its worse day.

Who ever said the Charger was faster than the Stang GT?? Again a meaningless proposition. Its amazing how you can say things like "Charger is not running mid 13s", But I am not allowed to say the SRT8 has 450hp.. its called Hypocrisy.

BAHAHAHAA That is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard... The Charger RT isnt available to the public yet either, It hasnt landed yet, so I guess your initial statement of saying "unfortauntely the charger isnt in that range" was made from no relovancy what so ever. LMAO
Which is it??? Is the Charger not in the range? Or is it not available yet?? I guess you can pretend to stay in 2005 the Rest of your life to make that part mean something. And what does a 12 second mirada have anything to do with this??? Does DC Make the Mirada anymore, no so you cant talk about it BAHAHA Not to mention you must be smokin some good stuff if you think a stock Mirada can get into the 12s with bolt ons. I will move on to the future while you will be left behind.

Ok well, as soon as you name a Sedan that has that much capability safety and performance for under 30K, you let me know.


Is there anything that you can say without completely jumping to an empty conclusion, or to state something relevant, or at-least make a statement without assuming?? Im ready to hear anything meaningful. Have you paid attention to Chrysler at all in the last year or so?? If so, you have fooled me.

 

you told me to name a sedan...you didnt say what kind of sedan...that would out perform the charger..so i did..the SRT4...

and like i said..plain and simple...
when you can show me a charger that puts out 360 stock hp, when it advertises 350...i will believe it...i am sure that you went to some displays where the charger outran some high performance cars...but when DCX is holding a display, of course the charger is going to win. your numbers are all conceptual...until we have someone on here, or elsewhere that is not a DCX rep or C&D or MT editor stating power numbers, none of them are really valid. that my entire point. the numbers you are stating are biased. do you not agree with the fact that DCX tests are biased to their own vehicles?

 

i hate this f*cking thread, no ones minds are gonna be changed. the old people live in the past, and the youth embrace the present. simple as that. i gave up this arguement a while ago, as well as the bastards i was argueing with. now the next group is going through teh same old sh*t. just lock this damn thread and save everyone the trouble. and yes this is THE CHARGER. to me this is all there is. screw the past, just look at it, so ill argue the point because of my age this is THE CHARGER to me. since again thsi is teh car of my dreams because it is a good looking powerful big sedan, i dont apreciate it when you f*ggots trash it. end this thread before i get more pissed. it is like me telling patrick his car is garbage because it is a mitshubishi that just has a dodge name on it. it isnt american, or even a chrysler product. im not doign that, but as an example, he wont liek that very much, at all. so lock this thread it needs to end and the bashing needs to end. if you wnat to live in the past so be it, but dont ruin teh present for us.

DISCLAIMER: i swear when im pissed, and Patrick, just an example, no offense intented. it isnt a stealth or anything. you drive a very nice stratus.

 

You asked me to prove my #s about the SRT8, and said that Chrysler wouldn't underrate an engines power, and denounced my claim, I proved myself right and you wrong in both ways, that is why you side stepped the subject... Kind of a pathetic try, but I don't blame you. You have dug yourself a very deep hole in this thread as far as your knowledge of the new LX Platform...

About the Sedan comparison, I am not saying I didnt ask for a sedan of any kinda, but it shows where your mind is when you compare an SRT4 to a Charger RT. Just proving my point even better, its just like most of your other comments on this thread, irrelevant in all reality insulting for a company that is finally making wonderful cars.

And again, check the link I provided if you need a dyno reality check.

 

Chill man. You can like the car all you want. Hell, buy as many as you want. I'm simply arguing that the name is not appropriate for the product. Or they "redefined" the name for a new purpose, and all the marketting references to the past are out of place. And, that it is even more odd when DCX themselves disrespect the past incarnations of a vehicle with that name, and all that surrounds it, and then try to leverage it in the same sentence.

The magnitude of the fiasco surrounding the use of the name on the '06 itself, to me, says that someone made a marketting boo boo. And if it was calculated (and expected) collateral damage, then I think that is even more deserving of a C grade at best. Not only are they telling two different stories at the same time, they are contradicting each other and simply have created a mess.

Should have had a single story, design, and product which nailed the bullseye more accurately and without causing a confusing path of destruction along the way.

If the car is so hot on it's own, and in fact disconnected from the past, there should not have been any trouble coming up with a suitable name, graphics, story, etc etc.. and even could have made generic references to a muscle car past, simply because of the power plant -- would have been more appropriate.

I agree that the Magnum Sedan is not the correct term when you look at the sheet metal, because it is not simply a Magnum without the wagon, but it is an appropriate label for the requirements and product slot that it is filling.

I live in the present, it has nothing to due with time. It has to due with simple preferences. Those preferences which would have been more closely met by a modern rendition of a car that already has the Charger name. Not this. If I want another classic Charger, I will go buy one. That;s not what this is about. I was hoping that by the talk of a Charger I would have a totally different vehicle to trade up to from my Corolla, not this. Though I should have simply felt that wave of disappointment when I saw that first green sketch, and moved on. But the name has some pretty strong attachment.

Charger name has been "re-used". What the hell, can't do anything about it, and I'll give it up. But you can't tell me it is "a Charger" and in the same sentence, as DCX, admit it has nothing to do with past design. And I'm sure as hell not going to agree when you try to call it "THE Charger".

I'll likely look at a 300 or Magnum when the time comes. Or maybe they'll do a stylish rendition of a modern E-Body coupe that will fit my bill. Though, if the same route is taken with that rumour (if in fact true), that will be the nail in the coffin.

 

I would have to disagree with that. I'm 18 and by no means do I embrace the present, I love the past and I wish I could've lived in the past so I wouldn't have to deal with the bulls**t about bringing back the names of great cars and making them sedans...I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just trying to show my opinion...

I would have to agree with Pat with this...pillbox I think you are twisting his words really badly, just read what he's posting is pretty damn clear. I agree with all the logics that pat does, I'm not going to restate them I'm just going to say I agree

 

i dont care about the name...and when i see these chargers rip off amazing 12 second QM runs, ill believe it...im not skirting any issues...i simply dont believe that DCX is underrating their new cars performance amidst a horsepower war...

so by your claim pillbox, all you care about is performance, so if DCX built a 400hp minivan, you would just as into that as you are the charger?

i just dont need a big family car...if i did, i would buy a 300C....plus, the charger prices are going to be way marked up...my arguement is prefectly relevant...there is nothing wrong with this new charger, its just another car that i dont have any use for, based on its size...even if they had what people have PS'ed, and made this LX platform car intoa 2 door..it would still be a huge *** 2 door...and there is no stick shift...basically what dodge gas done was gone and made themselves their version of the GTP grand prix. its fast...its got big HP numbers, but its big, and has no stickshift...so its a performance car for every middle age man whose wife wont let him buy a corvette...or for everyone who cant drive a stick..

nicko, im by no means an "older guy"...i didnt want a charger that looked like the old one,.....hell, if dodge would make something sporty, and smaller, they could call it the damn volare for all i care...the charger is a fine car...for those who want a bigger car...but i want something small...i would rather not drive a neon, but when i go to buy my next car...im more interested in out and out performance than i am "fastest mid sized sedan"...

not to mention the fact that this entire arguement, as long as it has been going on amuses me...and i can, from time to time stir the embers and get it going again...although i couldnt give a damn less..i made that aries thing just to **** people off, and it worked to perfection...

 

I AGREE TOLTALLY lol. That's exactly how I feel. I like sporty and small, and I can't stand 2-door. Now that's all they're coming out with. I mean come on look at the neon replacement...

 

is the caliber the neon replacement? i saw it in person on sunday,and it looks like a pontiac vibe to me...im glad to see that dodge is bowing out of the performance coupe AND sport compact battle...