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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 02:06 AM
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We've tried air bags, and it didn't ride well without a load and they kept coming loose of their fastenings, sent them back.

On the 3rd gen, we had spring-assist shocks (Monroe 58640), but we can't find them for a 4th gen? Comparing the 911299 no-assist 2009-2012 shock and the 58640 assist 2002-2008 shock, mounts are the same, dimensions are the same, so why wouldn't the shock fit? Because the spring rate is stiffer than the factory rate, and it'd put too much weight on the shock bodies? Each spring is 60#, so the pair would be 120 pounds per inch of compression. I would think the stock coils to be something like 250-300 pounds per inch, each.

Our neighbor pulls a tag RV with more tongue weight as our rig but with a weight distributing hitch, and we just put spring rubbers on his to see if they will help. If they do, we may put them on ours. Our tongue weight is exactly 607 pounds (scaled it under the jack, unhooked from truck) plus about 400 pounds of equipment in the bed (3200 watt generator, toolbox, 40 gallons of fuel, ect).

We got the truck last fall, and it's gotten lower and lower, like the coils are just giving out. Is there maybe a heavier compatible coil, like a coil off a 2500/3500 front end or something?

We unloaded last night, and the hitch damn near scraped the sidewalk.

The trailer is a basic 22ft dovetail, with a tonguebox for the winch. Weighs probably 2200. The camaro is 2750 without driver and we park the front axle centerline 3 feet back on the deck so the rear tires are right on the hump.

With the trailer unhooked and bed full of jobsite equipment (which is alot less weight than the race equipment), the front fenders are 36" and the back are 36.5". Neighbor's rear fenders (unloaded) went from 37.5 to 38.25 with the spring rubbers.

The sidewalk is about a foot higher than the road, and the garage floor is about 2 feet above the sidewalk. We use 3 layers of 2x6's under the rear axle for loading and 4 layers for unloading just to get the trailer up to a decent angle.

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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 07:09 AM
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How does it sit on level ground with that trailer unloaded? Doesn't look like there is much drop to the hitch that you are showing.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 12:55 PM
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How does it sit on level ground with that trailer unloaded? Doesn't look like there is much drop to the hitch that you are showing.
The ball drops about a half inch when I hook the trailer on. It's a standard 2 down/3/4 up hitch.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 01:07 PM
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I use a WDH with my 5000lb TT. Without it, the rear end on my 09 sags quite a bit. With it, I can easily bring it level. I did have to preload a few notches up from where my 04 with leaf springs liked it, but it works perfectly.
 
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I use a WDH with my 5000lb TT. Without it, the rear end on my 09 sags quite a bit. With it, I can easily bring it level. I did have to preload a few notches up from where my 04 with leaf springs liked it, but it works perfectly.
we have the WDH from our old dually/15,000# trailer combination, but that hitch alone would probably drop the back of the truck an inch from putting it on there. I can't pick it up, and dad struggles...right now it lives under the bench. We could use it, but would need the pieces that weld on the trailer.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by magnethead
The ball drops about a half inch when I hook the trailer on. It's a standard 2 down/3/4 up hitch.
What I'm asking is - is the empty trailer level when you put it on that hitch? Looks high to me, I've got to use a 4" drop on my stock Ram pulling a similar car trailer.
 
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I use a WDH even for towing my lightweight travel trailer. Trailer tongue weight is about 400 LBS and the trailer 3500. I also load up the bed with a bunch of camping stuff including fire wood for probably another 300 lbs. Without the WDH, the truck sat low and I had issues with my driveway al as I live on a steep downhill and have a steep driveway angle. My advice is to go get a small WDH for about 750 lbs tongue weight.

price is about $400

http://www.reese-hitches.com/categor...lb_Hitches,815
 
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What I'm asking is - is the empty trailer level when you put it on that hitch? Looks high to me, I've got to use a 4" drop on my stock Ram pulling a similar car trailer.
The deck is level unloaded, yes.
 
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I tow an 8500 lb camper with mine. Weight distributing hitch would make all the difference with your problem. I also put in air lift bags. I used there cheap compressor, mounted it under the back seat and put the gauge and switches in the glovebox. Easy enough to pump up and then deflate when you unhook. Also, just a thought....try backing the car onto the trailer. Get all the weight of that engine off the tongue.
 
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Originally Posted by laramie09
try backing the car onto the trailer. Get all the weight of that engine off the tongue.
The tongue weight is just about perfect. TW should be 10-15% of the trailer and load. Trailer and load is about 5k lbs and TW is 607 lbs, so TW is about 12%. If he's packing the gen and other heavy stuff in front of the rear axle, then the solution is clearly a WDH to move some of the weight to the front suspension.
 
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