The "black box" is the air bag module. No one can remove it, modify it, or tamper with it under federal law. It stores all vehicle information for the last 30-60 seconds prior to an accident. It is extremely rare that anyone would would want to access that information-this is off topic anyway.


Prepare to chow down on big fat crow sandwich (you could easily have found this yourself)-
quoted from a fellow enthusiast:

Here is list of links to guys who have experienced the wrath of racing, also a few links about Geico and related insurance:

http://www.racersden.net/forum/showt...7&page=3&pp=20

http://www.racersden.net/forum/showt...7&page=3&pp=20

http://www.crossroadonline.com/index...ewtopic&t=5043

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...5&page=3&pp=15

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=82691

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...5&pagenumber=1

 

I think you "dodgemech" need to reverse share this link so people can get the facts and instead of a blanket doom and gloom with no real knowledge I believe it is better to try and empower the rights of each individual and push forums to post updates and FACTS.

Some of the information posted on this site will support past issues mentioned on this thread...but more important it posts the actual area and the changes made and the fights to maintain proper control with your ability to help point the direction of the change.

I will pull up insurance "facts" for you aswell .

Sorry dodgemech but your comments anger me due to the lack of enforcement of our rights and more over point out what we cant do like a dog that rolls over. People who do this enable the ease of walking over people and their rights.

You will find the power is in enabling people to have the individual right on the road and it can be made safe as well as regulated. The political powers that be moreover don’t care and the easiest path is the one taken.


http://www.semasan.com/


you will find the comments on these forums are 90% bull or hype and 10% reginal issues that you can help with if empowered properly.

Ty

 

I am very familiar with SEMA and an active participant in the motor sports arena. I am also a dealer tech so I get to see inside both worlds. It is not a matter of people fighting for their rights, they give them up by violating the contracts in which they are entered. Insurance companies are under no obligation to insure anyone. They can, at will end any policy with any holder. Auto manufactures are only obligated to honor the warranty on their product providing in was used in the manner they intended. There are only a handful of cars being produced with auto motor sports in mind, Corvette C5-R, Viper GTS-R, Mustang (Motor sports body only version), and some imports. Any vehicle used in any form of motor sports is a violation of the warranty, it is in the clause about normal driving environment. The same way Audi/VW voids most of the power train warranty if you run a chip, all a manufacture needs to prove is that you used or modified a vehicle to perform in a way other than that which it was intended.

You can try find all the consumer rights information you want, in court it is the word of a factory trained tech against the vehicle owners. I wonder which would carry more weight regarding vehicle abuse? You will never find a professional to testify that adding performance parts is no harder on the power train than in it's stock configuration. Nor you will find any credentialed individual to provide evidence that racing is no more detrimental to power train life than driving down the expressway or taking the kids to school.

Again, I was simply advising to protect yourselves when participating in motor sports activities....you never know who is watching.

 

“I am very familiar with SEMA and an active participant in the motor sports arena. I am also a dealer tech so I get to see inside both worlds. It is not a matter of people fighting for their rights, they give them up by violating the contracts in which they are entered. Insurance companies are under no obligation to insure anyone. “

**So why not mention sema before that would have clarified the actual areas this bull was happening and how it was being squashed.

**Yeah insurance companies will be a big winner with customers. Lol yeah I just spent 30-40 thou on a car and I am paying you way too much for insurance and you wont cover me accelerating to hard or doing anything to my car?? Obviously there are no clear parameters on these policies so they are open for abuse. There goes the insurance and wala the insurance company not taking away the right to use the car at will while under the policy will gain the benefits. Like the speed limit there is a area of allowance and painting the doom and gloom is a joke and annoying. Exhaust systems that are smog legal are and cannot be seen a problem legally. Nor can smog approved intakes.

**Sorry still the original picture you painted is misleading and not backed up with facts just a doom and gloom attitude.




“They can, at will end any policy with any holder. Auto manufactures are only obligated to honor the warranty on their product providing in was used in the manner they intended. There are only a handful of cars being produced with auto motor sports in mind, Corvette C5-R, Viper GTS-R, Mustang (Motor sports body only version), and some imports. Any vehicle used in any form of motor sports is a violation of the warranty, it is in the clause about normal driving environment. The same way Audi/VW voids most of the power train warranty if you run a chip, all a manufacture needs to prove is that you used or modified a vehicle to perform in a way other than that which it was intended.”

**Understood no big deal we understand this issue the carmakers have with warranting cars that have been abused. I do not suggest chasing warranties with a car that has been abused. But they have no right to step any further . They no longer own the car and the right they have to pull a warranty if the car is proven to be raced and the damage derived from the action. This pulling of the warranty happens when the car comes into the shop and its proven. That’s about it.



”You can try find all the consumer rights information you want, in court it is the word of a factory trained tech against the vehicle owners. I wonder which would carry more weight regarding vehicle abuse?”

**So this was all just so you could feel special?? Actually it would be the physical proof and technical data from the actual car that makes the case..


“You will never find a professional to testify that adding performance parts is no harder on the power train than in it's stock configuration.”

**Oh boy I will be glad to share this with many who will be glad to eat you alive on this very point.lol.

“Nor you will find any credentialed individual to provide evidence that racing is no more detrimental to power train life than driving down the expressway or taking the kids to school.”

**This is obvious but the point is the need is to prove this, as is the risk of selling a product to human beings. Being sold the product as a unit that (as Toyota advertises) jumps clearly into the air and lands with a 360 degree turn on open bridges or goes through windows.

**Common talk about selling cake and then saying it’s against the law to eat it. Have you seen truck adds??? That alone is a merit for the activity in a dodge truck. Remember the trucks at a race track on the 1/4mile and wala they raced.. Oh did I say they raced with a payload. Again a push for the justifying of racing as a merited action to prove a cars /trucks worth.

**I’m just going with what the car companies use to sell the product we intend to drive.


”Again, I was simply advising to protect yourselves when participating in motor sports activities....you never know who is watching.”

True and that is a valid point.

**Nothing personal dodgemech..but really the way you shared the point was sensationalized and not full of facts. I just wanted to point out that the customer has rights and recent misuse by larger numbers of drivers does not mean the basic system should turn to dodgetech run communism.

Ty

 

Damn trial attorneys...stick'em all under your Hemi and do a burnout! [:@]

 

Holy cow! (sorry, been around kids all day)
I was just thinking about doing some 1/4 runs with my Magnum RT. I don't really expect my Insurance Company to cover me if I bonehead out and hit a wall or something!
Just keep this thread active, I want to see the results of the warranty police and how real this is.
Very interesting, this is more than I expected to get from a forum!
Later,
'8R

 

For those who didn’t feel like clicking on the SEMA link I thought I would post some of the info.

New Jersey Bill to Restrict Racetrack Operations - November 2004


URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT

New Jersey Bill to Restrict Racetrack Operations

Legislation (A.B. 3425) that seeks to unreasonably restrict the hours of operation of motor vehicle racetracks in New Jersey has been introduced in the State Legislature. The bill would prohibit the operation of racetracks located within a one-mile radius of residential housing before 11:00 a.m. and after 10:00 p.m. on Monday through Saturday. On Sundays, tracks could only operate between 11:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. These time restrictions would make operating any race facility nearly impossible.

We Urge You to Call or E-Mail Your New Jersey State Legislators Immediately to Request Their Opposition to the Bill

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A.B. 3425 represents an attempt by a small group of New Jersey residents to silence racing without regard to the many racing enthusiasts in the state.
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A.B. 3425 would lead to limited car counts for Weekly Time Trial Nights, which provides drivers a safe and controlled racing environment, potentially leading to the danger of increased street racing. Motorcross events could no longer occur.
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A.B. 3425 and its proposed restrictions on Sunday start times would create serious difficulties in completing events on what is typically the biggest race day, in both of attendance and the significance of events. Area businesses, such as hotels and restaurants, will be affected from decreased turnout for events.
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A.B. 3425 would impose substantial fines on track owners: $2,500 for the first offense; $5,000 for the second offense; $10,000 for the third offense; and $25,000 for the fourth and subsequent offenses. In addition, the Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) would be granted the authority to seek an injunction against violators.
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A.B. 3425 would impose a statewide, one-size-fits-all approach to racetrack control ignoring the significant economic and recreational benefits these facilities provide. In considering similar noise control restrictions in 2000, the DEP concluded that noise control problems are best addressed at the local level through municipal ordinances.

Contact your New Jersey legislators in Trenton to oppose this legislation. If you need assistance in determining who your State Legislators are, please contact the New Jersey Legislature’s General Information line: 609/292-4840. This information can also be obtained by calling the SEMA Washington, D.C. office at 202/783-6007, ext. 38 or you can access this information via the Internet at http://www.enjoythedrive.com/legisla...legislator.asp.

Please e-mail a copy of your message to Steve McDonald at stevem@sema.org

Thank you.


Another is a small victory but still proof that yes morons are trying to stop the use of aftermarket parts.

Pennsylvania Bill to Ban the Use of Aftermarket Exhaust Systems Dead for the Year! - November 2004


URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT (UPDATE)

Pennsylvania Bill to Ban the Use of Aftermarket Exhaust Systems Dead for the Year!

Eric Bugaile, Executive Director for the Majority in the Pennsylvania House Transportation Committee has just informed us that “this bill has absolutely no chance to be voted on this year.” He’s asked us to call of the dogs. As introduced, the legislation (H.B. 3000) would have effectively prohibited the use of aftermarket exhaust systems in Pennsylvania.

For now, the bill is dead. However, we fully expect it to be reintroduced for consideration in the 2005 Legislative session which begins in January.

Congratulations and thank you for your quick action. Your voices were again heard loud and clear in Harrisburg.


Massachusetts Bill to Ban the Sale/Installation of Aftermarket Exhaust Systems Continues to Move through Legislature - June 2004


URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT (UPDATE)

It’s Not Dead Yet!
Massachusetts Bill to Ban the Sale/Installation of Aftermarket Exhaust Systems Continues to Move through Legislature

Although we thought we had successfully stalled this bill in the Committee on Public Safety earlier this year, a bill (H.B. 1722) to ban the sale or installation of “an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the exhaust” continues to move though the Massachusetts Legislature. It has not been revised from last year’s version and remains an extremely damaging piece of legislation.

After months of inactivity, H.B. 1722 was recently approved by the Massachusetts House Rules Committee and has now been re-referred to the House Steering, Policy and Scheduling Committee. If recommended for passage by this committee, the bill will be scheduled for a vote on the floor of the Massachusetts House of Representatives. It is important that we act in force again in order to (finally) defeat this bill before it has the opportunity to progress further.

Call, E-Mail or Fax the Members of the Steering, Policy and Scheduling Committee (List Below) Immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 1722

The arguments remain the same:

• H.B. 1722 ignores the fact that aftermarket exhaust systems are designed to make vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions.

• H.B. 1722 does not supply law enforcement with a clear standard to enforce, allowing them to make subjective judgments on whether or not a modified exhaust system is in violation.

• H.B. 1722 fails to recognize that aftermarket exhaust systems offer increased performance, which can make a vehicle safer by improving its ability to merge, pass, travel uphill, etc.

• H.B. 1722 would make it difficult for hobbyists to replace factory exhaust systems with more durable, better performing options.

Call or e-mail the members of the Steering and Policy Committee (See List Below) today to oppose this legislation. This bill tramples on the rights of vehicle enthusiasts in Massachusetts.

House Steering, Policy, and Scheduling Committee

Rep. Paul Kujawski
E-Mail: Rep.PaulKujawski@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2960
Facsimile: 617-722-2846

Rep. Benjamin Swan
E-Mail: Rep.BenjaminSwan@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2692
Facsimile: 617-722-2846

Rep. Louis Kafka
E-Mail: Rep.LouisKafka@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2305
Facsimile: 617-722-2598

Rep. Ellen Story
Email: Rep.EllenStory@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2692
Facsimile: 617-722-2846

Rep. Christine Canavan
E-Mail: Rep.ChristineCanavan@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2320
Facsimile: 617-722-2339

Rep. John Fresolo
E-Mail: Rep.JohnFresolo@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2960
Facsimile: 617-722-2846

Rep. Peter Kocot
E-Mail Address: Rep.PeterKocot@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: (617) 722-2575

Rep. James Eldridge
Email: Rep.JamesEldridge@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2060

Rep. Joyce Spiliotis
Email: Rep.JoyceSpiliotis@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2090

Rep. Brad Hill
E-Mail: Rep.BradHill@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617- 722-2489

Rep. Elizabeth Poirier
E-Mail: Rep.ElizabethPoirier@hou.state.ma.us
Telephone: 617-722-2976
Facsimile: 617-626-0108


GOOD NEWS>

Pro-Hobbyist Street Rod/Custom Vehicle Bill Approved By New York Senate Transportation Committee - June 2004


URGENT LEGISLATIVE ALERT (UPDATE)

Pro-Hobbyist Street Rod/Custom Vehicle Bill Approved By New York Senate Transportation Committee

After years of inactivity, New York legislation that would create vehicle registration classifications for street rods and custom vehicles and provide for special license plates for these vehicles is finally moving through the New York State Legislature. The bill mirrors model legislation created by SEMA and enacted in Illinois in 2002 and currently awaiting final approval in Missouri and Rhode Island. The bill now moves to the Senate Rules Committee before being scheduled for a vote by the full New York State Senate.

We Urge You to Call or E-Mail Your New York State Senators (List Attached) Immediately to Request Their Support for This Bill

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S.B. 615 defines a street rod as an altered vehicle manufactured before 1949 and a custom as an altered vehicle manufactured after 1948.
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S.B. 615 provides specific registration classes and license plates for street rods and customs.
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S.B. 615 exempts street rods and customs from periodic vehicle inspections and emissions inspections.
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S.B. 615 provides that vehicles titled and registered as street rods and custom vehicles may only be used for occasional transportation, exhibitions, club activities, parades, tours, etc. and not for general daily transportation.
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S.B. 615 provides that a replica vehicle will be assigned the same model year designation as the production vehicle it most closely resembles and allows the use of non-original materials.
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S.B. 615 exempts street rods and custom vehicles from a range of standard equipment requirements.

Contact your New York State Senators in Albany to support this legislation. This bill strives to protect and promote vehicle enthusiasts and collectors in New York. If you need assistance in determining who your State Senator is, please contact the New York Legislature’s General Information line: 518/455-2800. This information can also be obtained by calling the SEMA Washington, D.C. office at 202/783-6007, ext. 38 or you can access this information via the Internet at http://www.enjoythedrive.com/legisla...legislator.asp. Please e-mail a copy of your message to Steve McDonald at stevem@sema.org

Thank you.



CHP Exhaust


In response to complaints from SEMA and aftermarket exhaust system manufacturers, the California Highway Patrol (CHP) has issued new guidelines to clarify state exhaust noise regulations for use by all interested parties. The new guidelines make clear that aftermarket exhaust modifications do not in and of themselves violate muffler noise regulations unless the modifications result in noise levels exceeding California's 95-decibel limit.

SEMA and CHP have agreed to educate police officers, consumers and the industry to ensure a clear understanding of the proper exhaust noise limits and enforcement standards. SEMA's goal is to reduce improper citations and encourage modifications that comply with the regulations. It is the responsibility of aftermarket manufacturers to design and test products to ensure they comply with the regulation. We recommend that manufacturers distribute compliance information about their products and the enclosed SEMA summaries to educate consumers about their rights and responsibilities under California's regulations. Feel free to copy and distribute the enclosed materials.

In the coming months, we will compile information on enforcement actions brought to our attention. We urge you to report to us any experiences your customers have with unfair citations. We are hopeful that the guidelines will inform police officers about proper enforcement standards and procedures; if the guidelines prove ineffective in practice, we will undertake other measurers to seek fair enforcement of the regulations.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. If you have any questions, email stevemac@sema.org.

# CHP Exhaust Noise Guidelines at a Glance
# Exhaust Noise Standard
# CHP Information Bulletin No. 98-100

YOU can help by joining at this link. Just think its simple and someone else organizes it. All you have to do is point and click and help keep the ability to modify and drive our cars as we wish. Wow individuality is an option.

http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=8348

Ty

 

What I see is a lot of speculation and very little fact, and lots of rumors and old wives tales...

This just strikes me as funny... I really should have just let this post go, but this has been around for years... and there is no fact or merit to back it up past the point of logic.... you race a car, you wreck the car racing, you don't get covered under insurance or warrantee.... duh.... but there is nobody out there, insurance or manufacturer, that is going around inspecting cars either at a race track or at your home or on the street for modified "race" parts... and nobody is voiding insurance or warrantees for acts that have not been commited yet...

I don't blame you dude, I fell for it as well many many years ago... it just isn't true... I had Geico, they knew I raced my Impala (insured through them)... they didn't care. I raced places where reps from Chevrolet were there while my car was under warrantee... they didn't care.

I guess we will just have to agree to dissagree here... I have seen no fact to back up what you are saying, and since you cannot prove a negative, I can't prove what I am saying... just as long as people here realize that we are talking OPINION and not FACT... then there is no problem. It just gets my goat when people post opinion as fact.

 

My Insurance agent asked me if I ever go to the track ,I could not tell a lie. I told him I ran down the strip sometimes just to check out my performance mods. I guess it depends on your agent ,I have had ins. with the same company for years. I tried geeko ins. & they wont cover me because of past tickets. Just my 2cents.[8D]

 

Wicked, racing does void your warranty-sorry. That is not a wives tale or opinion.

James, be careful. Your agent does not determine if you are covered, what is covered, or if you get dropped. He simply acts as a middleman for the company. I have spoken to several agents about this, if they say, get it in writing.