tax refund
Man.........this is a sore issue with me. I hate to go on a rant, and I won't, but how would everyone here feel about this.
I'm self employed, so to speak. At the end of the month, I receive my gross earnings. Nothing is withheld. Each month, I withhold enough for my taxes, and every quarter, I have to personally write a check to the state and the feds. To actually write and mail out thousands of bucks that often and know that the majority of it is being wasted infuriates the hell out of me. I know that some of it goes to some good purposes, but still the thought of it all is crazy.

I'm self employed, so to speak. At the end of the month, I receive my gross earnings. Nothing is withheld. Each month, I withhold enough for my taxes, and every quarter, I have to personally write a check to the state and the feds. To actually write and mail out thousands of bucks that often and know that the majority of it is being wasted infuriates the hell out of me. I know that some of it goes to some good purposes, but still the thought of it all is crazy.

ORIGINAL: firemedic740
You should feel good about getting 3k back, I haven't got money back on taxes since I was a teen. I had to pay almost 2k to the fed, ughhhhh!
You should feel good about getting 3k back, I haven't got money back on taxes since I was a teen. I had to pay almost 2k to the fed, ughhhhh!
Of course, I'm not one to talk. I just finished writing a check for $4,500 to the federal government on Monday because thats what I owed. The sad thing is that I won't be getting a dime from that stimulus plan either.
Lastly, here's an interesting statistic. 41% of Americans pay no federal income tax. 33% of Americans who have income pay no income tax. More and more Americans are receiving their education, their health care, and their retirement from the federal government. Yet fewer and fewer Americans actually pay income taxes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_duckies
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/1410.html
although this wouldnt affect most of us, I believe a person that makes <30k a year and a married couple making <50k a year should be exempt from paying taxes. Check out the link I posted earlier on this thread that shows the % of what the wealthy pay. I think 30k a year equates to 5k in taxes, thats huge for someone making that little.
Also I think if you run your own business and make less than (haven't figured it out yet) you should be exempt from taxes for the first 2 years, also if you own your own business but dont make more than (haven't figured that amount out either) you should be exempt from taxes. Now I'm talking bout small biz, not like some oil co that says theyre a start up company so dont tax my billions, but you see where I'm going.
Also I think if you run your own business and make less than (haven't figured it out yet) you should be exempt from taxes for the first 2 years, also if you own your own business but dont make more than (haven't figured that amount out either) you should be exempt from taxes. Now I'm talking bout small biz, not like some oil co that says theyre a start up company so dont tax my billions, but you see where I'm going.
ORIGINAL: mytowrig
...and he filed with his girlfriend.
...and he filed with his girlfriend.
Filing jointly benefits some people, but not if both you and your spouse make a decent income. Here is an article that explains it.
My wife and I paid $41K in Federal taxes this year. Refund or not, it doesn't really matter. Uncle Sam is killing us all a slow death, and the growth of government continues.
Think you're pissed now? Consider the fact (yes, FACT) that there is no law actually requiring you to pay a tax on your labor and compensation in the first place. There can't be, for a number of reasons. Think I'm nuttier than a fruitcake? Visit truthattack.org for a clear and concise summary of the issues involved, then ask the IRS yourself. I'm still waiting for a more substantive answer than this...
ORIGINAL: chouseal
Think you're pissed now? Consider the fact (yes, FACT) that there is no law actually requiring you to pay a tax on your labor and compensation in the first place. There can't be, for a number of reasons. Think I'm nuttier than a fruitcake? Visit truthattack.org for a clear and concise summary of the issues involved, then ask the IRS yourself. I'm still waiting for a substantive answer than this...
Think you're pissed now? Consider the fact (yes, FACT) that there is no law actually requiring you to pay a tax on your labor and compensation in the first place. There can't be, for a number of reasons. Think I'm nuttier than a fruitcake? Visit truthattack.org for a clear and concise summary of the issues involved, then ask the IRS yourself. I'm still waiting for a substantive answer than this...
ORIGINAL: Joel_MD
Since when does someone file jointly with a girlfriend? You have to be legally married to file jointly.
Filing jointly benefits some people, but not if both you and your spouse make a decent income. Here is an article that explains it.
My wife and I paid $41K in Federal taxes this year. Refund or not, it doesn't really matter. Uncle Sam is killing us all a slow death, and the growth of government continues.
ORIGINAL: mytowrig
...and he filed with his girlfriend.
...and he filed with his girlfriend.
Filing jointly benefits some people, but not if both you and your spouse make a decent income. Here is an article that explains it.
My wife and I paid $41K in Federal taxes this year. Refund or not, it doesn't really matter. Uncle Sam is killing us all a slow death, and the growth of government continues.
Maybe so, but aren't people losing their homes and going to jail for not paying their federal income tax?
Regardless of the consequences, I refuse to be a slave anymore. I refuse to succumb to rank intimidation, coercion, lies and fraud. I'd rather make my stand on principle and the actual law and go to prison if need be than have my children and grandchildren live under this increasingly tyrannical government that recognizes no limits on its own powers, refuses to obey its own laws, and has completely lost sight of what "liberty" means.
I am not anti-government, and I am not anti-tax. Both are "necessary evils." I am against fraud, corruption and intimidation through overwhelming force at the expense of law, reason and my God-given (not government-granted) rights.
Here's a quote from a press release about the DOJ's recently announced National Tax Defier Initiative —
"These individuals participate because they know that with the privileges that the United States has given them come the responsibilities and obligations of citizenship."
Interesting. None of that "We The People" fluff anymore, or "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" nonsense. You don't have rights, you have privileges. And the United States—benevolent all-powerful entity that it is—has given them to you. As long as you behave and obey without question, which is now the supreme "responsibility and obligation of citizenship."
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." — Thomas Jefferson
It's high time the government feared We The People again.



