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Old 06-16-2010, 07:46 PM
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Coal Train I hope you are out there. I just loaded the Smart S06 programmer onto my 2005 Dodge 3500. The truck has a Banks kit, ATS Aurora 5000 Turbo and injectors. I loaded the TNT program onto the Smarty and started with the 3rd level which includes added timing. I then turned it down to #2 which is on the stock timing and I started hearing popping out of the exhaust, sounded like predetination does in a gas engine does the same apply to a diesel or do I have another problem
 
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:22 PM
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Turn the timing to 4, the nitrous timing.

Ya gotta remember that added injection pressure and added boost have the same effect as adding timing.

Did you mess with any other settings on it?

Are you SURE it's coming out the exhaust? The other thing you may be doing is running the rail dry. What lift pump are you running and is your CP3 a stock one? What size sticks?
 
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:17 AM
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No I didn't mess with any of the other settings yet, yes the popping was coming out of the exhaust. The lift pump is a PPE 150 gpm pump, the CP3 pump I don't know for sure if it is still stock or if it has been upgraded. having trouble reading the rail pressure got a Auto Meter Rail pressure gauge and when i turn the key on it does it's sweeping test then slowly goes to max over 30,000 without starting the motor, and when driving down the road even under WOT the gauge never comes down. The truck does smoke a bit when first stepping hard in the throttle then cleans up so I figure the injectors should be about a 120 or so to make that turbo spool up, but have not had them flow tested.
 
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:57 AM
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This is Josh, right?

That RP gauge is way off or you'd have no motor right now.

Give me the complete list of what you KNOW is on the truck and we can go from there.
 
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Old 06-17-2010, 10:04 AM
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Your correct
The smarty work good now on the added timing program

Truck has a banks intercooler and high ram kit
PPE 150gph lift pump in place of the one in the tank
ATS Aurora 5000 turbo
Auto meter pyrometer and rail pressure gauge
Dipricol 100 psi boost gauge
Smarty that I just got from you with the TNT program in it
 
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Unknown about injectors
 
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Okay, I'm gonna assume that you have a stock injection pump in there. With that, you're gonna be limited to a little over 600 HP, which you can easily hit with that 5000.

Try these settings on the Smarty.

Set speed limiter to 120 (you'll be running out of RPM around here anyways.)
Set the Rail Pressure to 2 (NO HIGHER)
Set the Torque Management to 3 for daily driving, 4 for track, sled or dyno (level 4 can be a bit annoying in daily driving)
Set the Timing to 4 (Nitrous Timing - LEAST Advanced)

For the power level, you're probably gonna max out on level 6 or 7, simply because you won't be able to supply enough fuel to the rail with a stock CP3.

You already have head studs, HD valve springs and pushrods right? If not, you don't want to run over 48 psi or you're gonna lift the head and float the valves.

What about trans?

That right there should EASILY put you up in the high 500's - low 600's.

That 5000 is EASILY capable of pushing into the 700's, but you're not gonna be supplying enough fuel to do it.
 

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Ok sounds like a good place to start

Yes it has head studs and springs unknown about pushrods

The trans is a NV5600 with a dual disc clutch
 
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Okay, you're good then.

The pushrods come into play once you start messing around above 4000 RPM's and 70 lbs of boost.

You're good on the trans then too.

I'd go with the settings I gave you above. Once that 5000 lights up, that things gonna be an animal.

The 5000 (K31) is the big turbo in my twins.

If I'm any place over 20 psi and I smash it, it'll break the tires loose up to 70 MPH.

The only thing you'll have to worry about is the spool time. The 5000, by itself, doesn't like to REALLY light up until you're over 20 psi and around 2200 RPM's.

You can see it in my dyno charts where it comes alive......the chart gets much steeper.
 
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That worked out awesome now when i get this thing under load on the pulling sled is it gonna smoke like a coal smoke stack with this new program or will it clean out once the boost gets up like it has been so far
 


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