Just curious if anyone has added the ability to run water converted into HHO i.e. hydroxy, Brown's Gas??? I'm looking for opinions too.

 

Alright, this is kind of controversial as far as if it works or not... and i won't say that it dosen't work, however i will say, it's not worth it. I helped a friend of mine with a setup in his beater car, which worked and helped how much gas it was using. He was impressed, and installed the same system into his 07 Tahoe. 2 weeks later the catalytic converter was clogged, and it was showing water (not coolent) in the oil. Aparently during combustion, the hydrogen bonds to oxygen again, and creates water in the cylinders.
His beater car had the valves on the bottom and aparently was able to drain it (???), the tahoe however didn't fare quite as well. On a side note, he got 5-10% better gas mileage on the tahoe before it died :-D

Use at YOUR OWN RISK:
I have also tried to use pure Acetone (nail polish remover) (6oz acetone/15g 87 gasoline) in my 92 bonneville. It did not help fuel effeciency, however the power output went up ~15%, using the same ammount of gas. I expect more fuel managed engines will do better (less gas, same power), however I did not try, nor will i, try it in my stratus.
The bonneville experienced random stalls and difficulty starting, which may or may not be related to the use of the acetone, but I just don't want to find out the hard way with this car.

 

Thanks for letting me know. Anyone else doing this or have an opinion?

 

I would have to say, if it worked (well), car companies (or everyone..) would be doing it.

First you have the problem of getting Hydrogen/Oxygen out of the water.. This is easy, just pop two electrodes into it, and run electricity through it (yay electrolysis) The problem comes up when you realize how *much* energy you need to actually do this (those hydrogen bonds are incredibly strong and take tons of energy to destroy!) Your poor little battery and alternator will be having a tough time with that (or if you install a higher output alternator to charge 3 other batteries in your trunk, adding 40lbs+ of weight)

The next is, what do you do with the product? Inject it through the intake manifold? Sounds like a plan, although first your increased O2 (unless you're just dumping that and only using the hydrogen) will be unmetered unless you're running it through your MAF, so unless you richen up your AFR, you'll be running nice and lean, that is of course, if you are able to make enough Oxygen and Hydrogen to actually significantly affect it, and then hoping you produce enough power/(gas milage increase) to overcome the added weight of your electrolysis assembly (X gallons of water, batteries, plumbing, etc)

Now in regards to your original question (the above just pertains to your typical "run your car off water" setup), HHO, the first point still applies, you need to make a 2:1 mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, via electrolysis or some other method, most of which aren't easily implemented on a car.

Now if you store it in canisters in gas (or liquid...? lol liquid hydrogen is another story.. tons of cooling, etc) you run the risk that you normally run having pounds of flammable (O2) or explosive (O2+H) gas strapped to your back. (i.e. death)

I know nothing of HHO's burn rate, or any other properties, but I believe you would have to do alot of reengineering to have any hope of this working effectively (i.e. ground up prototype build)

These are just my opinions though, sligthly based on fact.. If you think you can do otherwise, it would be great to see, and I welcome you to attempt it, but I would recommend not doing it on your daily drive lol. It would take alot of R&D to really get it working, and probably the financial backing that only a major automobile or aerospace company would have accessible.

That's just my 2c (: Hope it helped a little. (again, not trying to discourage you, if you think you can do it, I'd love to see it! It would be really awesome)

 

thanks gpg. I have seen some videos on you tube of cars plus various websites selling instructions an or parts.

 

If your really interested you should check out my site: http://aquauto.com .

Its just a community where people are sharing the info / research they have on hydroxy boosting (Im not selling anything so dont be scared).

A lot of what you read on the net is a bunch of bull when it comes to boosting but we are trying to sort it out and see what works. Every vehicle is different so different things work differently for them all. We have several members that get good MPG gains. Check it out, we have a vehicle database.

 

That's actually a nice little site you have there (I was a little worried when I saw the link xD) Unfortunately most of that information is of no use to me, due to my upcoming supercharger project.. but I think it would be a nice read for people that are interested in that sort of project (again, I didn't say it couldn't be done, just that a $90 kit or ebook that a web site sells you probably won't cut it, which is mostly what you see when you look up 'water powered cars')

I'll probably poke around your site a little and see what you have to offer (:

 

Yeah, there is a lot of 'scammers' out there when it comes to this technology. Maybe I shouldn't say scammers, I'll just say take-advantage-of-ers...

I think if you wanted too, you could build a simple booster for less than 50 bones, and it would still be better than a water4gas booster. Check out this http://aquauto.com/electrolyzers/nickstone/prometheus or the "newb tube" in the database.

Also, I just published an article in my blog on why skeptics dont think hydroxy boosting works.

I wrote it... so it might not be that good of a read .. let me know what you think.

 

The article makes sense. Remindes me of hundreds of others regarding hydrogen/hydroxy/acetone, etc.
It would be wonderful if you could put together some real before/after numbers for your Strat, What engine/configuration you have, as well as any issues you may have had. (my first response in this thread, my friends truck was killed because water built up in the engine from the hydrogen injection, BUT he got great mileage before it died). Do you have any pics of your setup???

 

Thats why we have the vehicle and electrolyzer databases . It allows users to go in an put there vehicle types, engines, stuff like that. Here is the Vehicle database, and here is the Booster database. There arent 'a lot' of vehicles there... but its a start and growing everyday. You have to start someplace, right!

We do have a Dodge Ram1500 in the DB. RadGen is the guys users name and he has a pretty sweet setup. When just starting out, you wouldnt need anything that fancy, but I thought I'd show you.

Thats interesting your friend had 'water' problems with his engine. Almost all the water should be blown out as steam, besides... where in an engine would a liquid that vaporizes at much less than exhaust temperature build up? There is a good possibility that he may have had his injection line hooked into his PCV valve and was under vacuum and maybe sucked water in. Let me know if you get anymore details.