Me again
#1
01-15-2006 | 12:21 AM
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Me again
If youve read my posts before you probobly know Im no Mr. Goodwrench but this question truely makes me a little red in the cheeks. I changed my spark plugs and distributor cap/rotor and I think I messed the firing order up. I bought a borg warner nascar select distributor cap with brass contacts and installed it in my 97 ram 5.9 liter engine, I also bought bosch platinum spark plugs (the cheapies) and set the gap to .035 in.
In my experience posting my technical problems asking multiple questions dosent go well, I seem to get fewer responses but here goes.
1) my firing order is 1 - 8 - 4 - 3 - 6 - 5 - 7 - 2. heres a picture (drawn in paintshop
) of a diagram right out of my chiltons dodge book. (this is my first time putting a pic into a post so it might not be here or something.) Will a Borg Warner Nascar select distributor cap work in my truck?
2) Im getting a code 43 ("Multiple/ single cylinder misfire") so how could I figure out the right firing order from home. Im short on cash and have boocoo problems with my truck and this is just one. Is there some sort of troubleshooting way to correct my firing order. Thanks to anyone brave enough/able to lower themselves to my level of brain cells, for replying.
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In my experience posting my technical problems asking multiple questions dosent go well, I seem to get fewer responses but here goes.
1) my firing order is 1 - 8 - 4 - 3 - 6 - 5 - 7 - 2. heres a picture (drawn in paintshop
) of a diagram right out of my chiltons dodge book. (this is my first time putting a pic into a post so it might not be here or something.) Will a Borg Warner Nascar select distributor cap work in my truck?2) Im getting a code 43 ("Multiple/ single cylinder misfire") so how could I figure out the right firing order from home. Im short on cash and have boocoo problems with my truck and this is just one. Is there some sort of troubleshooting way to correct my firing order. Thanks to anyone brave enough/able to lower themselves to my level of brain cells, for replying.
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#2
01-15-2006 | 01:00 AM
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RE: Me again
some info i found. double check your wires first and make sure they are in good shape and that they are in the right ordr.
NO: 18-48-98
GROUP: Vehicle Performance
DATE: Dec. 30, 1998
SUBJECT:
Ignition System
Cross Fire/Secondary
Ignition Wire Induction
MODELS:
* 1994 - 1999 (AN) Dakota
* 1994 - 1999 (BR/BE) Ram Truck
* 1998 - 1999 (DN) Durango
* 1995 - 1998 (ZG) Grand Cherokee
* 1994 - 1998 (ZJ) Grand Cherokee
NOTE: This information applies to vehicles equipped with a 3.9 liter, 5.2 liter, or 5.9 liter engine. AB models will be added later (new parts required).
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
Some vehicles may exhibit one or more of the following:
* Spark knock complaints when the vehicle is under load.
* Various single cylinder misfire (1, 3, 7), especially 5 and or 8.
* Surge in 4th gear with the Electronically Modulated Converter Clutch (EMCC) engaged (around 45 mph).
* Perceived torque converter EMCC engagement/disengagement around 45 mph.
DIAGNOSIS:
Using the Mopar Diagnostic System (MDS/MDS 2) or the Diagnostic Scan Tool (DRB III(R)) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures Manual, verify all engine/transmission systems are functioning as designed. If other than mentioned Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's) are present, record them on the repair order and repair as necessary before proceeding further with this bulletin. If no DTC's are present or if the above symptoms/conditions have been described by the customer, perform the Repair Procedure.
NOTE: This rerouting procedure should be performed before any other misfire, surge, or spark knock repairs are attempted.
PARTS REQUIRED:
* 3 56028186 Clip, Single Wire
* 2 06503441 Clip, Wire To Hose (5.2L & 5.9L)
* 1 04364375 Convolute, 10 ft Roll
5.2 Liter and 5.9 Liter Engine Procedures
Dodge Ram 1500 Running Rough
1. Coil Wire Routing (Figure 1 and 2)
A. Remove the coil wire from the distributor cap coil wire tower terminal.
B. Remove the coil wire from the rear five-wire clip, the center three-wire clip, and the front one-wire clip located along the lower side of the right valve cover.
C. Install three (3) one-wire clips p/n 56028186 along the top and front of the valve cover. Use the studs of the valve cover retaining bolts (Figure 1).
NOTE: Some applications may only have stud locations for three of the one-wire clips.
D. Route the coil wire starting from the ignition coil toward the distributor. Any excess wire should end up at the distributor end.
E. Install the coil wire into the one-wire clips. This procedure may be easier to perform while the coil wire is loose from the valve cover (before the one-wire clips are attached to the valve cover studs).
F. Cut the ignition wire convolute p/n 04364375 into three lengths 8", 4", and 3.25".
G. Slit and install the three sections of convolute onto the coil wire between the one-wire clips. Install the 3.25" section at the front of the right valve cover. Install the 8" and the 4" sections along the top side of the right valve cover. This procedure may be easier to perform while the coil wire is loose from the valve cover (before the clips are attached to the valve cover studs).
H. Route the distributor end of the coil wire down and behind the intake manifold, in front of the oil pressure switch (Figure 2).
NOTE: The coil wire must be a minimum of one (1) inch away from any other ignition wires. This may require that the coil wire be routed under vacuum and/or wire harnesses in the right rear corner of the intake manifold.
I. Route the distributor end of the coil wire up the side of the distributor cap and onto the coil wire tower terminal.
J. Position the original piece of coil wire convolute so it protects the wire against chafing with components at the rear of the engine.
2. No. 8 Cylinder Plug Wire Routing (Figure 3)
A. Remove the No. 8 cylinder plug wire from the distributor cap tower terminal.
B. Remove the No. 8 cylinder plug wire from the five-wire clip located at the lower rear of the valve cover.
C. Route the No. 8 cylinder plug wire over the rear quarter of the right valve cover (Figure 3).
D. Position the original piece convolute from the No. 8 cylinder plug wire to prevent chafing at the right valve cover and with other engine components.
E. Secure the No. 8 cylinder plug wire and its convolute in place with the hose to wire clip p/n 06503441. The small end of the clip is positioned over the convolute. The large end of the clip is fastened to a heater hose (A/C line on ZJ models).
NOTE: make sure the No. 8 cylinder plug wire is secure and away from the coil wire and the no. 4 cylinder plug wire. Make certain it will not fall down and contact the cylinder head and or exhaust components.
F. Install the No. 8 cylinder plug wire to its distributor cap terminal.
3. No. 4 Cylinder Plug Wire Routing (Figure 4 and 5)
A. Remove the No. 4 cylinder plug wire from the distributor cap terminal.
B. At the three-wire clip (located at the center of the lower side of the right valve cover), keep the two wires from crossing and chafing each other. Position the No. 2 cylinder plug wire in the top wire slot and the No. 4 cylinder plug wire in the bottom wire slot. Leave the middle wire slot empty (Figure 5).
C. At the five-wire clip (located at the right rear lower side of the valve cover), keep the plug wires from crossing and chafing each other. Position the No. 4 cylinder plug wire in a slot that will obtain the maximum amount of distance allowable from the No. 8 cylinder plug wire (Figure 6). Remove any slack in the No. 4 cylinder plug wire between the three-wire and the five-wire clips.
NOTE: Earlier model five-wire clips look slightly different but the same wiring layout applies.
D. Route the No. 4 cylinder plug wire behind the transmission dipstick tube and heater hoses. On ZJ models this may not be possible due to the location of the bulkhead.
NOTE: Make sure that the No. 4 cylinder plug wire is, at least one inch away from the No. 8 cylinder plug wire.
E. Install the No. 4 cylinder plug wire to its distributor cap terminal (Figure 7).
4. No. 7 Cylinder Plug Wire Routing (Figure 8 and 9)
A. Verify that the No. 7 cylinder plug wire crosses over the distributor cap and leaves the distributor cap between the No. 3 and the No. 6 tower terminals (Figure 8). This is the original wire routing for 1998 and prior model years.
B. For 1999 M.Y. vehicles the No. 7 cylinder plug wire was shortened. Reroute the No. 7 cylinder plug wire so that it crosses the distributor cap and leaves the distributor cap between the No. 6 and the No. 5 tower terminals (Figure 9).
NOTE: Make sure the No. 7 cylinder plug wire is, at least one inch, away from the No. 5 cylinder plug wire.
Dodge Ram 1500 Running Rough
5. No. 5 Cylinder Plug Wire Routing (Figure 10)
A. Remove the No. 5 cylinder plug wire from its distributor cap terminal.
B. Remove the No. 5 cylinder plug wire from the five-wire clip located at the lower rear of the left valve cover.
C. Route the No. 5 cylinder plug wire over the left valve cover and in front of the breather tube elbow.
D. Position the original convolute from the No. 5 cylinder plug wire to prevent chafing against the valve cover and any engine components. Secure the small end of the hose to wire clip p/n 06503441 over the convolute. Secure the large end of the hose to wire clip to the breather hose.
NOTE: make sure the No. 5 cylinder plug wire is secure and away from the No. 7 cylinder plug wire. Make certain it will not fall down and contact the cylinder head and/or exhaust components.
NOTE: The coil wire must be a minimum of one (1) inch away from any other ignition wires. This may require that the coil wire be routed under vacuum and or wire harnesses in the right rear corner of the intake manifold.
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NO: 18-48-98
GROUP: Vehicle Performance
DATE: Dec. 30, 1998
SUBJECT:
Ignition System
Cross Fire/Secondary
Ignition Wire Induction
MODELS:
* 1994 - 1999 (AN) Dakota
* 1994 - 1999 (BR/BE) Ram Truck
* 1998 - 1999 (DN) Durango
* 1995 - 1998 (ZG) Grand Cherokee
* 1994 - 1998 (ZJ) Grand Cherokee
NOTE: This information applies to vehicles equipped with a 3.9 liter, 5.2 liter, or 5.9 liter engine. AB models will be added later (new parts required).
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
Some vehicles may exhibit one or more of the following:
* Spark knock complaints when the vehicle is under load.
* Various single cylinder misfire (1, 3, 7), especially 5 and or 8.
* Surge in 4th gear with the Electronically Modulated Converter Clutch (EMCC) engaged (around 45 mph).
* Perceived torque converter EMCC engagement/disengagement around 45 mph.
DIAGNOSIS:
Using the Mopar Diagnostic System (MDS/MDS 2) or the Diagnostic Scan Tool (DRB III(R)) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures Manual, verify all engine/transmission systems are functioning as designed. If other than mentioned Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's) are present, record them on the repair order and repair as necessary before proceeding further with this bulletin. If no DTC's are present or if the above symptoms/conditions have been described by the customer, perform the Repair Procedure.
NOTE: This rerouting procedure should be performed before any other misfire, surge, or spark knock repairs are attempted.
PARTS REQUIRED:
* 3 56028186 Clip, Single Wire
* 2 06503441 Clip, Wire To Hose (5.2L & 5.9L)
* 1 04364375 Convolute, 10 ft Roll
5.2 Liter and 5.9 Liter Engine Procedures
Dodge Ram 1500 Running Rough
1. Coil Wire Routing (Figure 1 and 2)
A. Remove the coil wire from the distributor cap coil wire tower terminal.
B. Remove the coil wire from the rear five-wire clip, the center three-wire clip, and the front one-wire clip located along the lower side of the right valve cover.
C. Install three (3) one-wire clips p/n 56028186 along the top and front of the valve cover. Use the studs of the valve cover retaining bolts (Figure 1).
NOTE: Some applications may only have stud locations for three of the one-wire clips.
D. Route the coil wire starting from the ignition coil toward the distributor. Any excess wire should end up at the distributor end.
E. Install the coil wire into the one-wire clips. This procedure may be easier to perform while the coil wire is loose from the valve cover (before the one-wire clips are attached to the valve cover studs).
F. Cut the ignition wire convolute p/n 04364375 into three lengths 8", 4", and 3.25".
G. Slit and install the three sections of convolute onto the coil wire between the one-wire clips. Install the 3.25" section at the front of the right valve cover. Install the 8" and the 4" sections along the top side of the right valve cover. This procedure may be easier to perform while the coil wire is loose from the valve cover (before the clips are attached to the valve cover studs).
H. Route the distributor end of the coil wire down and behind the intake manifold, in front of the oil pressure switch (Figure 2).
NOTE: The coil wire must be a minimum of one (1) inch away from any other ignition wires. This may require that the coil wire be routed under vacuum and/or wire harnesses in the right rear corner of the intake manifold.
I. Route the distributor end of the coil wire up the side of the distributor cap and onto the coil wire tower terminal.
J. Position the original piece of coil wire convolute so it protects the wire against chafing with components at the rear of the engine.
2. No. 8 Cylinder Plug Wire Routing (Figure 3)
A. Remove the No. 8 cylinder plug wire from the distributor cap tower terminal.
B. Remove the No. 8 cylinder plug wire from the five-wire clip located at the lower rear of the valve cover.
C. Route the No. 8 cylinder plug wire over the rear quarter of the right valve cover (Figure 3).
D. Position the original piece convolute from the No. 8 cylinder plug wire to prevent chafing at the right valve cover and with other engine components.
E. Secure the No. 8 cylinder plug wire and its convolute in place with the hose to wire clip p/n 06503441. The small end of the clip is positioned over the convolute. The large end of the clip is fastened to a heater hose (A/C line on ZJ models).
NOTE: make sure the No. 8 cylinder plug wire is secure and away from the coil wire and the no. 4 cylinder plug wire. Make certain it will not fall down and contact the cylinder head and or exhaust components.
F. Install the No. 8 cylinder plug wire to its distributor cap terminal.
3. No. 4 Cylinder Plug Wire Routing (Figure 4 and 5)
A. Remove the No. 4 cylinder plug wire from the distributor cap terminal.
B. At the three-wire clip (located at the center of the lower side of the right valve cover), keep the two wires from crossing and chafing each other. Position the No. 2 cylinder plug wire in the top wire slot and the No. 4 cylinder plug wire in the bottom wire slot. Leave the middle wire slot empty (Figure 5).
C. At the five-wire clip (located at the right rear lower side of the valve cover), keep the plug wires from crossing and chafing each other. Position the No. 4 cylinder plug wire in a slot that will obtain the maximum amount of distance allowable from the No. 8 cylinder plug wire (Figure 6). Remove any slack in the No. 4 cylinder plug wire between the three-wire and the five-wire clips.
NOTE: Earlier model five-wire clips look slightly different but the same wiring layout applies.
D. Route the No. 4 cylinder plug wire behind the transmission dipstick tube and heater hoses. On ZJ models this may not be possible due to the location of the bulkhead.
NOTE: Make sure that the No. 4 cylinder plug wire is, at least one inch away from the No. 8 cylinder plug wire.
E. Install the No. 4 cylinder plug wire to its distributor cap terminal (Figure 7).
4. No. 7 Cylinder Plug Wire Routing (Figure 8 and 9)
A. Verify that the No. 7 cylinder plug wire crosses over the distributor cap and leaves the distributor cap between the No. 3 and the No. 6 tower terminals (Figure 8). This is the original wire routing for 1998 and prior model years.
B. For 1999 M.Y. vehicles the No. 7 cylinder plug wire was shortened. Reroute the No. 7 cylinder plug wire so that it crosses the distributor cap and leaves the distributor cap between the No. 6 and the No. 5 tower terminals (Figure 9).
NOTE: Make sure the No. 7 cylinder plug wire is, at least one inch, away from the No. 5 cylinder plug wire.
Dodge Ram 1500 Running Rough
5. No. 5 Cylinder Plug Wire Routing (Figure 10)
A. Remove the No. 5 cylinder plug wire from its distributor cap terminal.
B. Remove the No. 5 cylinder plug wire from the five-wire clip located at the lower rear of the left valve cover.
C. Route the No. 5 cylinder plug wire over the left valve cover and in front of the breather tube elbow.
D. Position the original convolute from the No. 5 cylinder plug wire to prevent chafing against the valve cover and any engine components. Secure the small end of the hose to wire clip p/n 06503441 over the convolute. Secure the large end of the hose to wire clip to the breather hose.
NOTE: make sure the No. 5 cylinder plug wire is secure and away from the No. 7 cylinder plug wire. Make certain it will not fall down and contact the cylinder head and/or exhaust components.
NOTE: The coil wire must be a minimum of one (1) inch away from any other ignition wires. This may require that the coil wire be routed under vacuum and or wire harnesses in the right rear corner of the intake manifold.
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#3
01-15-2006 | 01:02 AM
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RE: Me again
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#4
01-15-2006 | 11:36 AM
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RE: Me again
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If youve read my posts before you probobly know Im no Mr. Goodwrench but this question truely makes me a little red in the cheeks. I changed my spark plugs and distributor cap/rotor and I think I messed the firing order up. I bought a borg warner nascar select distributor cap with brass contacts and installed it in my 97 ram 5.9 liter engine, I also bought bosch platinum spark plugs (the cheapies) and set the gap to .035 in.
In my experience posting my technical problems asking multiple questions dosent go well, I seem to get fewer responses but here goes.
1) my firing order is 1 - 8 - 4 - 3 - 6 - 5 - 7 - 2. heres a picture (drawn in paintshop ) of a diagram right out of my chiltons dodge book. (this is my first time putting a pic into a post so it might not be here or something.) Will a Borg Warner Nascar select distributor cap work in my truck?
2) Im getting a code 43 ("Multiple/ single cylinder misfire") so how could I figure out the right firing order from home. Im short on cash and have boocoo problems with my truck and this is just one. Is there some sort of troubleshooting way to correct my firing order. Thanks to anyone brave enough/able to lower themselves to my level of brain cells, for replying.
[IMG]local://upfiles/26576/5E02CB5BD51948DEAFED84349DF22744.jpg[/IMG]
If youve read my posts before you probobly know Im no Mr. Goodwrench but this question truely makes me a little red in the cheeks. I changed my spark plugs and distributor cap/rotor and I think I messed the firing order up. I bought a borg warner nascar select distributor cap with brass contacts and installed it in my 97 ram 5.9 liter engine, I also bought bosch platinum spark plugs (the cheapies) and set the gap to .035 in.
In my experience posting my technical problems asking multiple questions dosent go well, I seem to get fewer responses but here goes.
1) my firing order is 1 - 8 - 4 - 3 - 6 - 5 - 7 - 2. heres a picture (drawn in paintshop
) of a diagram right out of my chiltons dodge book. (this is my first time putting a pic into a post so it might not be here or something.) Will a Borg Warner Nascar select distributor cap work in my truck?2) Im getting a code 43 ("Multiple/ single cylinder misfire") so how could I figure out the right firing order from home. Im short on cash and have boocoo problems with my truck and this is just one. Is there some sort of troubleshooting way to correct my firing order. Thanks to anyone brave enough/able to lower themselves to my level of brain cells, for replying.
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#5
01-15-2006 | 10:20 PM
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RE: Me again
Man alive thanks alot guys. Im having a friend come down tommarow to help me out, I think Ive done enough. I will definately buy those champion spark plugs as Ive heard nothing but bad about bosch. Plus Ive gapped all 8 twice... I ordered .035 plugs and they gave me .040. And on the box it said I might need to gap them but I guess you get what you pay for. About my vacuum hoses, theyre in horrible shape, some have cracks from front to back and all the way around them. I need some major minor work done if you know what I mean, plus a hell of a tune up. Thanks again for the help guys.
