There's a thread on the Toyoa Mega C.... I mean Crew Max...

 

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Toyota sucks,


Yay for me, I dont have to drive one



(Good posts guys

 

Typical Jap knock off - how boringly uncreative [:-].( about as much so as FORD was when they when they heisted the design for their
Stupid Duty).Isn't this exactly whatToyota did with the Tacoma/Trashcoma, when they used the old Dakota design.Amazing when people claim how savey the Japs are at designing vehicles ,that they have to resort to cobbing a USA design. Dont call it a RAM Think of it as a Toyota LAM - deeishonorable! How long did it finally takeToyota to build a full size pick up thats actually full size? I.E. they called the T-300 full size - then the current Tonjunk. Now by their own admission they are saying this new TUNJUNK is actually the full size that the other 2 never were !...How long did it take them to figure out to put a V-8 in a truck (then when they finally did they stuck that big klunky looking V-8 emblem in the grille).What choices do they offer for suspensions and engines and where the Diesel ever been??.wow they sure are trend setters. I wonder what design they will design they will screw up next. Im glad Chevy beat them out for truck of the year..No surprise though how many tries did it take for Toyota or Honda for that matter to get even the mini van right - something Mopar has done right since day one !

 

get your facts straight ! sorry to bust your bubble -

Crew cab: Tundra CrewMax has more back seat room than any other standard-duty crew-cab except the Dodge Ram Mega Cab.

also the Mega Cab is on a Heavy Duty Chassis NOT a Standard duty chassis

 

aww man, i have to. well, at least it was before Toyota got off the hook! 94 pickup, so its not copy!


My friend and I agreed you can like Toyota trucks before 94. but anything over is BULLSH!T.
Hino-copys-Freightliner
Toyota-copys-Dodge

im sure im missing something. oh yea, thats why God made terrorists, to attack Toyota's

 

They were overrated before they overrated themselves.

 

yea, thats true. good point btw.

 

Lmurray has a bad case of dillusion. CR is the worst outlet anyone can listen to. They flip-flop on everything. Just look at how they rated the LX cars. They claim that in the 300, the HEMI-equipped models are less reliable than the V6 versions, yet in the Charger and Magnum the HEMI-equipped model is rated at being more reliable. They claim that Toyota's hybrid system makes their cars MORE reliable despite the problems they have had with the gas-powered engines shutting down and not restarting. Also in their list of reliability ratings, the hybrid version of the Toyota Highlander is more reliable than the normal V6 version yet the Ford Escape which uses Toyota's hybrid system is way LESS reliable than its normal I4 version.

Just look at the different versions of the Camry. In the sedan version the V6 model is considered way more reliable than the V6, yet the coupe convertible version of the Camry (the Solara) notes it is instead the I4 that is more reliable. The Fusion/Milan I4 is rated as being more reliable than the V6 version, yet the Mazda 6 V6 is rated as being more reliable than the I4 version despite they are the same powertrain and on the same platform.

How about their past ratings? They listed all the manufactures who had oil sludge problems. The only one that had consistent most reliable ratings was Toyota, and guess what. They had the most effected models because the oil sludge covered not just one engine but two! Did this effect the Camry's ratings sinceBOTH engines were offered. No, it didn't.

How about the Ford trucks vs. GM trucks? They go back and forth depending on what category it is despite the fact that their all basically the same. CR is a waste of time. J.D. Power judges stupid things like how well the fit and finish is. Yeah, when Iam on theside of the road due to a broken transmission in the new Camry (which is a major part of their recalls), I'm really going to care how good the fit and finish is.

Toyota has been known to inflate their numbers. Look at the output of the previous Camry with the 3.0L and the initial redesigned Avalon with the current one. I'd be more concerned about reliability issues with the Tundra. The new 5.7L is all-aluminum. A truck is more likely to face overheating than a car. Not a good idea. Toyota's latest transmissions have had problems, I wouldn't want to take the risk. Also I read a comparison once (this was back in 2002 I think) where each manufacturer gave a truck to a farmer's magazine. The Ford was able to put up with the abuse the best, Toyota did the worst.

Lmurray, the current Ram no longer offers the 5.9L or the 46RE; therefore, a 5.7L HEMI Magnum with a 545RFE I'm quite sure will provide more than adequate hp & torque for your boat. The 5.7L produces roughly 100 more hp & 30 ft-lbs of tq. The 545RFE offers much better gearing for both fuel economy and towing since it is a 5-speed.

 

I'm not delusional at all. I just understand what CR is reporting. The "flip-flopping" that you are noting is not flip-flopping at all. They are reporting reliability based on statistics for each brand and MODEL. Therefore, just because two models share a drivetrain does not mean that both models are equally reliable. They aren't giving you reliability ratings for an engine or transmission, but for a particular model.

And yes, Toyota has had it's share of issues (sludge, transmissions, etc.) however, those issues are typically more rare than with the "domestic" brands. Also, the recent rise in issues with Toyota products coincides with the increase in the number of Toyotas manufactured here in the States. Not a very good report card for our workforce.

And as far as the Farmer Magazine comparo, I don't doubt that the domestics outperformed the old Tundra. The Tundra wasn't designed to be a workhorse. It was designed for the average suburban dweller who makes the occasional trip to Home Depot for weekend projects, and haul light boats and trailers. You know...the way most of the light duty truck consumers in America actually use their trucks.

Now the 2007 Tundra is on par with the half-ton trucks from the Big 2.5 in every area, and people still need to find something to pick apart. The fact is, the new Tundra is a true full size truck that hauls and tows as much as anything in it's class, is roomier than before and should be a competetive truck in the market that will hopefully spur the Big 2.5 to improve their trucks. Competition is good.

As for the 5.9l vs the 5.7l HEMI...I like the 381hp and 401lb.ft. from the new Toyota 5.7l

Also...to address what brandloyalty said about the Mega Cab vs CrewMax rear leg room...the CrewMax does have slightly more leg room. The Mega Cab has a bit more hip and shoulder room, though.

For those of you griping that Toyota has stolen the Ram's design...I agree that the new Tundra borrows quite a bit from the Ram, but why not? The Ram is the best looking truck on the road, and Toyota wants the new truck to look American. What better truck to imitate? What did you want them to do? Make it look unique like the ugly Titan? That truck looks entirely too Japanese and the sales numbers reflect that fact.

I think the new Tundra looks BADA$$!

 

It is flip-flopping when the only difference is between two models is that one is a coupe and another is a sedan. The problem is that they don't allow well known facts to effect their reliability ratings. The sludge problem with Toyota was actually more widespread than one one elses. I remember reading about that in one of their articles but the difference is it didn't effect their reliability ratings nor their recommendation ratings either.

For your info, I know lots of people who have had Japan built Toyotas and have had just as many problems as U.S. built ones. CR claims that until just this last year Toyotas ratings are always reaching a new peak. That is the company's fault not the location of the workers. If Japan is so much better at making cars reliable how come many of the other companieswho make just about everything in Japan are lowerin reliability ratings than the U.S. built ones?

At first people thought the Titan was the best truck on the market but in time the platform proved otherwise.

Toyota is the most overrated manufacuter in history. Idon't buy those hp & tq ratings just yet and I'm not about to just trust a brand newengine design that hasn't been proven yet andI hold that standard to every manufacturer no matter who they are.