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Old 01-23-2014, 09:07 PM
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Greetings, Just had a DeeZee tailgate assist installed on '05 Ram 1500 Daytona today. You would not believe how easy the tailgate goes down now. No weight at all to lift up or down. Well worth the price. Very neat.!!!!!!!!
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Couple questions...

Does it take forever to lower and raise?
Does the assembly rub the side of the taillight housing?
Any pics of the tailgate mount location? All pics show the latch up top but dont show a good pic of the lower mount. I see there is a hole in the tailgate, but how does the bolt get installed? Do you have to go inside the tailgate for anything?
Was thinking about installing but would like some more info first.


I found this helpful video that answers my above questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=jMCO8Xbi4X0

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Greetings, I had a truck asso. shop put it on. nothing rubs. The guy took out one bolt & put another on in its place. A 10 min. job. It works just like a hood or back hatch opening on a SUV. It may take a couple of sec. to open. Better than dealing with a heavy tail gate. Well worth the money.
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Thanks for chiming back in. I think I'm gonna get one. i open from the side a lot and it's tough on my shoulder since I tore my rotator cuff.
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Greetings, Glad to help. I know that you will be glade that you got it. With my Ram Daytona 1500 with 4 x 4 the tailgate is a little high & with the weight of the tailgate it really helps a lot. Best of luck.
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Another, simpler (in design) option is the Hopkins Easy Lift kit. It's essentially a torsion bar that fits between the bed and the tailgate. I've got it installed on my truck and it's a fantastic device. The gas shocks can fail like hood shocks, this bar will only fail if it snaps in half but being spring steel designed for this purpose, I wouldn't place failure on it for years to come.
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I'd rather have a shock fail and leak than a piece of metal breaking apart causing damage. I like the safety of the shock as well, there's nothing to get cut on or pinched by...
My truck sees limited use so it'd be unlikely for the shock to fail on me.

Also, if this torsion bar goes at the bottom of the tailgate, then thats another issue because I have my 60" Recon LED bar there. Minimal clearance from the tailgate because it needs to be higher than the bumper to be visible. It runs right across the spare tire hole.

I paid $30shipped from 4wheelparts for the Deezee EZDown so cant go wrong.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261415044136...84.m1439.l2649
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I'd rather have a shock fail and leak than a piece of metal breaking apart causing damage. I like the safety of the shock as well, there's nothing to get cut on or pinched by...
My truck sees limited use so it'd be unlikely for the shock to fail on me.

Also, if this torsion bar goes at the bottom of the tailgate, then thats another issue because I have my 60" Recon LED bar there. Minimal clearance from the tailgate because it needs to be higher than the bumper to be visible. It runs right across the spare tire hole.

I paid $30shipped from 4wheelparts for the Deezee EZDown so cant go wrong.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261415044136...84.m1439.l2649

It doesn't extend below the bottom of the tailgate.
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I'd rather have a shock fail and leak than a piece of metal breaking apart causing damage. I like the safety of the shock as well, there's nothing to get cut on or pinched by...
My truck sees limited use so it'd be unlikely for the shock to fail on me.

Also, if this torsion bar goes at the bottom of the tailgate, then thats another issue because I have my 60" Recon LED bar there. Minimal clearance from the tailgate because it needs to be higher than the bumper to be visible. It runs right across the spare tire hole.

I paid $30shipped from 4wheelparts for the Deezee EZDown so cant go wrong.
www.ebay.com/itm/261415044136?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p398 4.m1439.l2649
Torsion bar failure is practically unheard of. For an example: Go find a Volkswagen Type 3 of of any year and you'll see 35+ year old cars with the original torsions for the rear hatch and/or the hood.
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"Torsion bar failure is practically unheard of. For an example: Go find a Volkswagen Type 3 of of any year and you'll see 35+ year old cars with the original torsions for the rear hatch and/or the hood."


Yes, very reliable.
I looked at the torsion bar setup for my 05 Ram and read some of the reviews. I think I saw only two negatives in over 100+ reviews. (not that I read 100 reviews)
1) Evidently the gate needs to come off to install and some how the bar caused a dent trying to install.
2) One bar snapped after a few months.


I had a torsion bar in a '66 Charger snap. Maybe 10-12 year old bar at the time. Sounded like a small cannon went off and the front right of the car dropped to the wheel instantly. Scared the daylights out of me. That said, my '69 Cuda still has the originals, under the front end and in the trunk.
Anyway, yeah, they can break on occasion.


For the Ram, I ordered the DeeZee cylinder. Appears to be an easy install. If it works as advertised I'll be just fine with that.
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The DeeZee is warranted for 3 years. Go figure. A good choice. I'm happy with the DeeZee.
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Update from my previous post................


"For the Ram, I ordered the DeeZee cylinder. Appears to be an easy install. If it works as advertised I'll be just fine with that."


Got the kit today and installed per instruction. I actually read them and the pictures are decent. Took about 15 minutes to complete. Used a Gearwrench ratchet end for the 36 quarter turns to make the 9 full turns that set the tailgate nut.
It does have an issue. Seems the bedside ball stud hangs out a touch too far. This causes a contact point at the top of the cylinder and the gate when closed. I believe I can resolve this using a thinner washer rather than the thick one that came with the kit, behind the ball stud. Trip to the hardware coming up.

What a difference it makes though. No more slam opening of the gate. Smooth all the way down to the cable stops.
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It doesn't extend below the bottom of the tailgate.
Take a pic.


I'm still not doing a torsion set up though..lol I'd like a pic to see what you guys are talking about.


and Dave, aint no 35+ yr old VW around my neck of the woods. They barely last 15...lol All are either rusted out or in the junkyard from electrical problems or trans failures.
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Take a pic.


I'm still not doing a torsion set up though..lol I'd like a pic to see what you guys are talking about.


and Dave, aint no 35+ yr old VW around my neck of the woods. They barely last 15...lol All are either rusted out or in the junkyard from electrical problems or trans failures.


lol X 2
Nothing to do with VW lifespan. No one trying to push the bar on you. Merely stating torsion bars are reliable. My Barracuda is a '69. Have never had a torsion bar problem. Rust is another subject. Heck, my '05 Ram has rust issues. Plenty of Mopar electrical and trans issues in the forum as well.
Never the less, torsion bars have been holding up Mopar front ends almost forever. Torsion springs have been used extensively for hood and deck lid lift applications.
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Greetings. think that the dealer put the thinner washer o my truck. If needed I can take a look. Yes It sure works better than a hard hit. Make sure you use that small black tube on the cable . It helps keep the cable straight & not get in the way when closing.. Good luck with your new tailgate ast. plunger. Do not forget your 3 year warranty with it.
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Take a pic.


I'm still not doing a torsion set up though..lol I'd like a pic to see what you guys are talking about.


and Dave, aint no 35+ yr old VW around my neck of the woods. They barely last 15...lol All are either rusted out or in the junkyard from electrical problems or trans failures.

Here ya go

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Thanks for the pics Prismatic. much appreciated. Definitely smaller than I was expecting.
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"For the Ram, I ordered the DeeZee cylinder. Appears to be an easy install. If it works as advertised I'll be just fine with that."


Got the kit today and installed per instruction. I actually read them and the pictures are decent. Took about 15 minutes to complete. Used a Gearwrench ratchet end for the 36 quarter turns to make the 9 full turns that set the tailgate nut.
It does have an issue. Seems the bedside ball stud hangs out a touch too far. This causes a contact point at the top of the cylinder and the gate when closed. I believe I can resolve this using a thinner washer rather than the thick one that came with the kit, behind the ball stud. Trip to the hardware coming up.

What a difference it makes though. No more slam opening of the gate. Smooth all the way down to the cable stops.
I installed mine today. Super smooth and slow going down. Up is same as before so only benefit is down. i guess torsion helps both ways...

-->The top ball mount was rubbing my tailgate as well. I wasn't having that. It was going to strip the paint right off. So, thinner washer it was! Slightly smaller in diamter and showed the exposed metal, so I ran a coating of touch-up around the edge to cover up the unpainted metal. The washer is a zinc anodized I had in my many nuts/bolts/washer drawers.
I also didn't like how the plastic weight thing was rubbing against my smoked taillight. So, I modded that with a ziptie and now when I lift the tail gate, the ziptie pulls just enough on the strap to keep it from rubbing against my light. It angles the whole assembly inwards so there is no outward rub. I may have to replace it after some time as it may break, but I just lifted the tailgate and tightened it snug. It actually keeps the shock end taught in it's socket as well assisting in clearance even more! It doesn't effect a thing when tailgate is down. Works like a charm. I love zipties.lol
I put a piece of gorilla tape over the yellow label because I could see it when closed(yes I'm ****..lol) I'll paint it when it gets warmer out.
I also put tape on the metal crimp area of the cable because that was rubbing slightly as well. I love gorilla tape..lol
All can be seen in the pic.

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Regardless of what you pick, I think we can all agree our tailgates are unnecessarily heavy.
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Most Def.

My Fathers F-150 tailgate is super light. Not sure if it has an internal torsion set-up or what but it's pretty darn easy.
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