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Old 08-20-2011, 11:56 AM
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I have a 2004 Ram Hemi 5.7 4WD. I have owned it 2 yrs and the last 6 months when I fill tank from empty to full with no topping off tank the engine dies at a stop for about first 20 miles. If I drive on highway without stopping after fill up it does not do this. Truck has no codes and a tune up recently with 102,000 miles on OD.
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Also will add that I changed EGR and took off and cleaned a very dirty throttle body when this started 6 months ago with no change.
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Old 08-20-2011, 01:33 PM
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This has been happening to my 04 ram 1500 as well. i dont know why. i have new throttle body, apps, and new pcm that is up to date. check your air filter, as simple as it is it has helped reduce the frequency of my stall outs. could be a tcm issue, or even a torque converter problem
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Old 08-20-2011, 05:31 PM
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I swear I've seen a thread about this on here or *&%^ @#!$. If you search you might be able to find it, not sure if he found a solution though. Good luck getting it fixed.
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Old 08-20-2011, 09:14 PM
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Do you get gas from the same place all the time?
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Old 08-21-2011, 11:11 AM
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yeah there are a few threads about this here. some have found fuel overflowing or getting sucked into the evap can and causing the issue.
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Old 08-21-2011, 03:13 PM
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Yes same gas everytime at same station. Only happens when I stop and go after fill up. No luck on searching...
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I would try a different station just to see if it still does it. A guy I work with said his will do the same thing depending on where he gets gas from
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I've seen this come up a couple of times and in every case before, the person ran out of gas and the truck died. From then on, whenever the tank got like below 1/8 tank and they filled it, they had the stalling issue.

I don't think I've ever read where a solution was found. I know one guy posted a while back he just makes it a point to fill up from half a tank and it never stalls...
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I know one guy posted a while back he just makes it a point to fill up from half a tank and it never stalls...
pretty much what i remember too
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:41 PM
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I was gonna say gas cap or tank vents, try running it without the gas cap once? Pick a day that isn't too dusty
My other idea would be fuel pump if it commonly appears after the tank is run dry.

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Update,
For last 6 months got gas from Caseys General Store. Used 89 octane with Ethanol. Noticed the stalling has been since I switched. Last night I went to Conoco and used 90 octane. Tank was empty. Drove around stop and go traffic for about 12 miles in town and truck never stalled. Coincidence?
Read about Ethanol causing vapor lock and having water. What do you guys think about the Ethanol being the issue?
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Maybe just bad fuel??
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If you can get gas without 10% ethanol, go for it. Your MPG will usually go up 1 to 2mpg over the 10% crap.
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Greetings,

I am new to the forum, as well as my truck (04 RAM 1500 SLT 5.7L HEMI Magnum, 4x4 Quad Cab). I too have had the stalling issue, and it is supposed to be a certified pre-owned vehicle. I may have found a permanent fix that the manufacturer may uphold at no cost to me or you, due to driving safety (that will be my leverage for having the dealer pay to fix a certified pre owned truck; key word will be CERTIFIED).

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For last 6 months got gas from Caseys General Store. Used 89 octane with Ethanol. Noticed the stalling has been since I switched. Last night I went to Conoco and used 90 octane. Tank was empty. Drove around stop and go traffic for about 12 miles in town and truck never stalled. Coincidence?
Read about Ethanol causing vapor lock and having water. What do you guys think about the Ethanol being the issue?
According to what I have found, you are on the right track, but I do not think it is the gasoline. I have tried that as well. After my research, I may have found cause and solution via an accumulation of other avid Dodge owners. I have provided a summarized response below:

For anyone else that has this problem, here is an excellent explanation...


This problem is related to the purge solenoid, but isn't caused by it. The fact that this happens tells us the solenoid is working ok.
The evaporative emissions system stores fuel vapors from the tank and then burns them in the engine, to keep the vapors from going into the atmosphere. When you fill the tank with fuel the air and vapor that the fuel displaces has to go into the evap system. There is a valve on top of the tank that allows the vapor out, but is supposed to shut off when liquid fuel hits it as the tank fills. What happens is this valve fails and it allows you to push liquid fuel into the evap system when you push too much fuel into the tank. This liquid fuel goes into the vapor canister and lines. When you start the engine a couple minutes later the purge solenoid will come on to do it's job and burn these vapors, but with this failed valve it sucks up liquid fuel instead, so the engine runs rough and can die at idle.


There are two ways to deal with this. You could stop filling the tank all the way up. Leave a little bit of room at the top. The only permanent solution to properly fix it is to replace the tank, all lines and valving on the tank is serviced as an assembly.

The following is not for the same truck, but for another Daimler-Chrysler vehicle. It that they may fix it out of safety hazards:

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2006 Hemi Dodge Charger 95k miles.

SympthomsMissesstallsdieslurches after fill-up for a few milesSometimes had to restartProblem sometimes continues after restart.
Sometimes key removal/opening car door will reset system and make starting easier.


This is EXACTLY what happened with meThey replaced my purge solenoid.
Then I took my car back a few months laterwith a copy of this forum in hand, and some other related info I found on-lineThey had my car for two weeks (fortunately my plan has a free rental ;) and they re-replaced the purge solenoid... I said didn't you just do that? Did you read the thing I gave you when I brought the car in? duh!

Then they decided to replace the filler tube neck...they say we fixed a few Durangos doing that. I picked the car up again, drove it 1/2 mile, overfilled it this time to prove my point... it stalled twice in 5 min and returned the car to dealer. They know what they are doing - they want to avoid a costly warranty repair no matter what...Chrysler probably gives them incentives for it.

Dealer called me the next day, and asked me some stuff. Called me back, and they said the talked it over with the tech, who read the stuff I took in, and he suggested they replace my tank...and that Chrysler would pick up the cost. I'
m taking it in today for the new tank had to burn down my gas first.

This problem is SUPER DANGEROUSI work with a guy with a 300C that has the identical problem they have to be aware of itI bet they all have it.

On another forumthe guy said he dissected his old tank and found a white buildup preventing the valve from closing.

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Again, I am new to the forum, and have not quite set it up yet. However, I have felt that it would be better if I help out my HEMI brethren first.

I hope it helps more than one person!

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Old 11-11-2013, 05:14 AM
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Every time I fill up it stalls for the first 20 miles or so.

I haven't tried not filling it up all the way before. I will try that. I have tried filling up at a dozen or so different gas stations, and the same results, will not keep an idle when coming to a stop. I have had it stall out on me on the freeway...very annoying to say the least.

Its been doing this so consistently that it doesn't startle me anymore. I also don't fill up until the warning light comes on, so I will try filling up at 1/4 of a tank for a bit first to see if that fixes the issue, as one other person stated.

Then I will try the "not filling it up all the way" which will probably be the most reliable "no cost" fix.

I had a similar type of problem with a different vehicle a while back, it ended up being a dirty IAC valve, I cleaned it, and it stopped stalling after fill up.

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I did the same thing the other day and also posted without searching (whoops). I know its sort of a panic when that happens and you just want to ask.

From here on i'm considering my truck topped off once the first click hits. Any fuller and it does the stalling out too.
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This is really dangerous. Mine has been doing it to me randomly and seems to only be after filling up. Stopping at first click off on pump. Doesn't do it every fill up but when it does it is usually at a bad time. Just this past Monday it stalled out as I was taking a sharp turn to get on an entrance ramp that also has exit traffic in the other lane. Took me by surprise and really had to crank the wheel to get it to turn and not hit an oncoming car. If my wife was driving the truck it would have resulted in an accident for sure. Can't believe there hasn't been a recall on this.
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I have replaced the fuel pump on 2006 dodge ram 1500 5.7l. It ran good for a couple of days and it stalled. I crank it but will not start. need some info on what next to check.
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I have replaced the fuel pump on 2006 dodge ram 1500 5.7l. It ran good for a couple of days and it stalled. I crank it but will not start. need some info on what next to check.
gamaliet,

Welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear about your concern. Is the new fuel pump OEM or aftermarket? Are you seeing any lights on the dashboard or are there any DTCs present?
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