I read that the first gen only makes 160hp? Is that true.....is it going to be gutless? I own an 86 Ford Ranger and it makes 140hp and 190ft/lbs. Not that far off. What would be the difference of just getting a gasser then? I have seen the first gen cummins pull many things, but with such low horsepower, how does it do it? I would bet that it makes twice the ft/lbs though.

 

a diesel is a diesel. they are like magic! need this or that pulled roun town, or stump removal??? then grab the ram by the horns and hang on!!!!

if you are worried about horses in a 1st gen, the guys at www.bullydog.com gave me very good info tuesday over the phone. with their new injectors, you gain 50 hp. if you can adapt the 94 cold air intake to a 93 or earlier 1st gen, you gain more also. limited though.


some info from: http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d...motor_history/

First Generation[/b]
The first two years Dodge diesels used a single CPL (804), the engines were not intercooled and the moderate-size turbo housing gave good response and peak boost pressure of 22-25 psi.
The injection pump was a Bosch VE rotary unit, and the lift pump was mechanical. A typical engine would start to fall off boost just past the 2,500-rpm peak power rating (earlier on modified trucks), and the rotary injection pump was often maxed out at 220-230 hp.
In contemporary testing, a regular cab four-wheel-drive pickup equipped with this engine and 3.54 axle gears would average nearly 20 mpg over the course of a year. Many owners could see better than 20 mpg unloaded on the highway and report 12-14 mpg towing as much as 10,000 pounds.
Unfortunately, some owners overloaded their trucks, and this led to many of the early manual gearbox failures. Others transmission failures were a result of drivers resting their arm on the shifter (the Getrag 360 shift forks are sensitive to that) and using gear lube instead of the specified 5W-30 motor oil that led to failure of the needle bearings: The later NV4500 became a common swap.
In mid-1991, an intercooler was added to lower NOx emissions and also brought running temperatures down. The aftermarket quickly developed intercoolers to retrofit into earlier models. Power ratings remained the same, but throttle response was softened a bit because of a larger turbine housing and peak boost in the 15-19 psi range. Virtually, any B-series 5.9L can be made to fit into this '72-'93 body style, but cooling ability is likely to limit modified outputs for anything more than drag racing

 

and more from http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/d...ine_specs.html

Dodge Cummins At A Glance[/b]




YEAR
HP @ RPM
TORQUE @ RPM
GEARBOX
CPL NOTES

1989-1991
160 @ 2,500
400 @ 1,600
Auto/manual
804


1991.5-1992
160 @ 2,500
400 @ 1,600
Auto/manual
1351
Mid-year intercooler added

1992.5-1993
160 @ 2,500
400 @ 1,600
Auto/manual
1579
Mid-year change

1994
160 @ 2,500
400 @ 1,600
Auto
1815


175 @ 2,500
420 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
1550


1994.5
160 @ 2,500
400 @ 1,600
Auto
1549
Catalyst 1/1/94

175 @ 2,500
420 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
1550
Catalyst 1/1/94

1995
160 @ 2,500
400 @ 1,600
Auto
1959


175 @ 2,500
420 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
1550


1995.5
160 @ 2,500
400 @ 1,600
Auto
1968


175 @ 2,500
420 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
1550


1996
180 @ 2,500
420 @ 1,600
Auto
2022
Federal

180 @ 2,500
420 @ 1,600
Auto/Five-speed manual
1863
CARB: Catalyst and EGR

215 @ 2,600
440 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2023
Federal

1996.5-1998
180 @ 2,500
420 @ 1,600
Auto
2174
Federal

180 @ 2,500
420 @ 1,600
Auto/Five-speed manual
2308
CARB: Catalyst and EGR

215 @ 2,600
440 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2175
Federal

1998.5
215 @ 2,700
420 @ 1,600
Auto
2098/2513
Federal

215 @ 2,700
420 @ 1,600
Auto
2280/2515
CARB

235 @ 2,700
420 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2024/2512
Federal

235 @ 2,700
420 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2279/2514
CARB

1999
215 @ 2,700
420 @ 1,600
Auto
2617
Federal

215 @ 2,700
420 @ 1,600
Auto
2619
CARB

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2616
Federal

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2618
CARB

2000
215 @ 2,700
420 @ 1,600
Auto
2660
Federal

215 @ 2,700
420 @ 1,600
Auto
2661
CARB

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2662
Federal

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2663
CARB

2001
235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Auto
2865/2902
Federal

215 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Auto
2866/2903
CARB

215 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2496/2904
Federal

215 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
2497/2905
CARB

215 @ 2,700
505 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
2415/2906
Federal

215 @ 2,700
505 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
2495/2907
CARB

2002
235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Auto
8030
Federal

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Auto
8031
CARB

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
8032
Federal

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,600
Five-speed manual
8033
CARB

235 @ 2,700
505 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
8034
Federal

235 @ 2,700
505 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
8035
CARB

2003
235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,400
47RE Auto
8216
CARB: Catalyst

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,400
Five-speed manual
8224
CARB: Catalyst

250 @ 2,900
460 @ 1,400
47RE Auto
2624
Federal (no cat)

250 @ 2,900
460 @ 1,400
Five-speed manual
8223
Federal (no cat)

305 @ 2,900
555 @ 1,400
Six-speed manual
2998
Federal (no cat)

2003.5
235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,400
47RE Auto
8410
CARB: Catalyst

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,400
Five-speed manual
8412
CARB: Catalyst

250 @ 2,900
460 @ 1,400
47RE Auto
8212
Federal (no cat)

250 @ 2,900
460 @ 1,400
Five-speed manual
8226
Federal (no cat)

305 @ 2,900
555 @ 1,400
Six-speed manual
8228
Federal (no cat)

305 @ 2,900
555 @ 1,400
48RE auto
8213
Federal (no cat)

2004
235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,400
Six-speed manual
8412
CARB: Catalyst

235 @ 2,700
460 @ 1,400
48RE auto
8412
CARB: Catalyst

305 @ 2,900
555 @ 1,400
Six-speed manual
8228
Federal (no cat)

305 @ 2,900
555 @ 1,400
48RE auto
8213
Federal (no cat)

2004.5
325 @ 2,900
600 @ 1,600
48RE auto
8346
Federal: Catalyst

325 @ 2,900
600 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
8350
Federal: Catalyst

325 @ 2,900
600 @ 1,600
48RE auto
8347
CARB: Catalyst

325 @ 2,900
600 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
8351
CARB: Catalyst

2005
325 @ 2,900
610 @ 1,600
48RE auto
8421
Federal: Catalyst

325 @ 2,900
610 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
8423
Federal: Catalyst

325 @ 2,900
610 @ 1,600
48RE auto
8422


325 @ 2,900
610 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
8424
CARB: Catalyst

2006
325 @ 2,900
610 @ 1,600
48RE auto
8344
Federal: Catalyst

325 @ 2,900
610 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
8348
Federal: Catalyst

325 @ 2,900
610 @ 1,600
48RE auto
8345
CARB: Catalyst

325 @ 2,900
610 @ 1,600
Six-speed manual
8349
CARB: Catalyst





SOURCES[/align]


The Turbo Diesel Register [/align]

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Wikipedia has some great information too :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_ram

 

Thanks, that helped a lot!!! I now see

 

I dont really trust them at wikipedia. they have a habit of not tellin the whole story on a few things....[:@]

 

THE HAND OF FAITH HAS BEEN LAID UPON BROTHER RANGERMAN!

HE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT!!

 

my 2002 only has 250hp ?

 

250 at the flywheel. . .probably looking at 220-230 to the wheels.

 

I think your getting Horsepower confused a diesel truck is not really about the Ponys that pull it its more about the torque that pushes it lol, the reason these trucks can pull so well is because of their heavy torque ratings