What wheels do I have?
Grand Champion
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Honestly, IMO it does not make any difference. The HP or Tq of the motor has little to do with the bolt pattern. As Steve said, the weight capacity of the vehicle seems too..... IE 8 bolt for 3/4 hd. and 1 ton trucks.
I go to the dragstrip and see cars making massive power, with tires so sticky, pulling the front wheels, and running 5 bolt and sometimes even 4 bolt wheels.
I have a friend with a 93 mustang, 4 bolt wheels in a 8.8 rear. He runs 9.0 sec. at 151 mph, and has done this for years. Broke many transmissions, and blew several motors, but never a problem with the wheels.
We can rattle on about this all day but I figure what works, works. I'm going by what I did or heard decades ago. Chrysler used to use LH threads because it was thought that was needed to keep lug nuts from backing off. I'm not aware of anybody using them for lug studs anymore.
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I myself am not rattling..... What I am trying to do is keep things factual......not hear say, myth, or urban folklore. I try to site references as to where info came from, along with a little common sense and experience.
But sense you brought up rattling, lets go back to the OP's question and then look at your response.
1. OP ask. "This is an '89 Dakota with stock steel 15" wheels with a 5 bolt pattern. I'm shopping the used market for 16" alloy wheels. How will I know what wheels will fit my truck? Is there a name for my fit or a measurement I should make? Thanks, Jim"
2. Your response taken out of post 4. "Round ones probably.
Seriously, the 5 on 4 1/2 inch bolt pattern was used as far back as the late 1930's. You'll want late 50's or newer as those will be safety wheels. Since you'll be using radial tires the older split rims won't work. Even if you wanted to use them." Did you read he wanted used alloy 16" wheels? How many were used in the 30's or 50's for that matter?3.Your response taken out of post 7. "When the Magnum engines came out in the 1992 model year, Chrysler went with 6 lug wheels on the Dakota for extra clamping pressure." What does this have to do with the OP question, not to mention its not true!
4. Your response in post 15. "As for Wikipedia, anybody can edit it and the provenance of the information is not always evident." If that was true, "which it isnt" why dont you edit it , and correct it to what you say an engineer told you?
Who is rattling on?
Grand Champion
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I myself am not rattling..... What I am trying to do is keep things factual......not hear say, myth, or urban folklore. I try to site references as to where info came from, along with a little common sense and experience.
But sense you brought up rattling, lets go back to the OP's question and then look at your response.
1. OP ask. "This is an '89 Dakota with stock steel 15" wheels with a 5 bolt pattern. I'm shopping the used market for 16" alloy wheels. How will I know what wheels will fit my truck? Is there a name for my fit or a measurement I should make? Thanks, Jim"
2. Your response taken out of post 4. "Round ones probably.
Seriously, the 5 on 4 1/2 inch bolt pattern was used as far back as the late 1930's. You'll want late 50's or newer as those will be safety wheels. Since you'll be using radial tires the older split rims won't work. Even if you wanted to use them." Did you read he wanted used alloy 16" wheels? How many were used in the 30's or 50's for that matter?3.Your response taken out of post 7. "When the Magnum engines came out in the 1992 model year, Chrysler went with 6 lug wheels on the Dakota for extra clamping pressure." What does this have to do with the OP question, not to mention its not true!
4. Your response in post 15. "As for Wikipedia, anybody can edit it and the provenance of the information is not always evident." If that was true, "which it isnt" why dont you edit it , and correct it to what you say an engineer told you?
Who is rattling on?
16 inch and larger wheels were the rule rather than the exception back in the 40's and 50's. As for alloy, those were rare but around then too. As for Wikipedia, that along with a lot of other supposed research sites don't meet my criteria. I'm here to help newer folks work on their stuff. I'm not here to abuse animals.
You might want to indulge in a chill pill or high colonic.
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16 inch and larger wheels were the rule rather than the exception back in the 40's and 50's. As for alloy, those were rare but around then too. As for Wikipedia, that along with a lot of other supposed research sites don't meet my criteria. I'm here to help newer folks work on their stuff. I'm not here to abuse animals. You might want to indulge in a chill pill or high colonic.
You might want to indulge in a chill pill or high colonic.LOL Ok
1. Back to the OP question..... exactly which alloy 16 in wheels from the 40's and 50's fit a 89 dakota?
2. Wikipedia and other research sites don't meet your criteria, but your memory of some engineer telling you that 6 bolt wheels were added to the dakota line for additional clamping force, which is needed for a 5.2 magnum? And this is something that should be accepted as fact!
3. I do agree that we should be here to help newer people work on their stuff, which is why I feel it is necessary to call out such nonsense for what it is..... Dont want people reading such garbage and thinking the 5 bolt wheel pattern will never hold up to a bigger motor.
4. Not here to abuse animals? not sure what you mean with that.... But FWIW, Im not neither!!
5. I dont need a chill pill..... but you may want to consider laying off the colonic when your posting!!
Here is a old saying for you.
"When you have dug yourself into a hole.... in order to get out, the first thing to do is, put the shovel down"
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LOL Ok
1. Back to the OP question..... exactly which alloy 16 in wheels from the 40's and 50's fit a 89 dakota?
2. Wikipedia and other research sites don't meet your criteria, but your memory of some engineer telling you that 6 bolt wheels were added to the dakota line for additional clamping force, which is needed for a 5.2 magnum? And this is something that should be accepted as fact!
3. I do agree that we should be here to help newer people work on their stuff, which is why I feel it is necessary to call out such nonsense for what it is..... Dont want people reading such garbage and thinking the 5 bolt wheel pattern will never hold up to a bigger motor.
4. Not here to abuse animals? not sure what you mean with that.... But FWIW, Im not neither!!
5. I dont need a chill pill..... but you may want to consider laying off the colonic when your posting!!
Here is a old saying for you.
"When you have dug yourself into a hole.... in order to get out, the first thing to do is, put the shovel down"
You came close but the quote you're looking for is from Will Rogers. He died in a plane crash back in 1935. He said "When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is quit digging". I never said 5 lugs wouldn't hold power. It was something an engineer said they would try. The Max Wedge engines back before the second generation Hemi came out ran on 5 lugs mostly. There were a LOT things that were tried and either worked or didn't. I got a Super Duty Pontiac in my salvage yard once with the 8 lug wheels. It wasn't worth rebuilding the car but when word got out I had it, I sold the unique parts within a week. It was also something that was tried but engineers decided it wasn't necessary.
Reading your post I'm reminded of another Will Rogers comment about arguing. .You never know about a high colonic. It sounds like you might benefit from one.
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Are you really that short sighted?
On post 7 you said. "When the Magnum engines came out in the 1992 model year, Chrysler went with 6 lug wheels on the Dakota for extra clamping pressure"
Then on post 15 you said. "My comment about clamping power came from a conversation with a Chrysler engineer back in the 1990's at the Mopar Nationals when it was located in Indianapolis. "
put down the shovel!
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You came close but the quote you're looking for is from Will Rogers. He died in a plane crash back in 1935. He said "When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is quit digging". I never said 5 lugs wouldn't hold power. It was something an engineer said they would try. The Max Wedge engines back before the second generation Hemi came out ran on 5 lugs mostly. There were a LOT things that were tried and either worked or didn't. I got a Super Duty Pontiac in my salvage yard once with the 8 lug wheels. It wasn't worth rebuilding the car but when word got out I had it, I sold the unique parts within a week. It was also something that was tried but engineers decided it wasn't necessary.
Reading your post I'm reminded of another Will Rogers comment about arguing. .You never know about a high colonic. It sounds like you might benefit from one.
Reading your post I'm reminded of another Will Rogers comment about arguing. .You never know about a high colonic. It sounds like you might benefit from one.
Are you really that short sighted?
On post 7 you said. "When the Magnum engines came out in the 1992 model year, Chrysler went with 6 lug wheels on the Dakota for extra clamping pressure"
Then on post 15 you said. "My comment about clamping power came from a conversation with a Chrysler engineer back in the 1990's at the Mopar Nationals when it was located in Indianapolis. "
put down the shovel!
