Anyone try HHO?????
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Well ME TOO!!!!!!
I like my Jack!!!!!!!! BTW I like slaughter of squirrels.......LOL
I have to add to your post. I like the Port and Polished heads head obtion but I already have them!
I wanted to add some insight even tho it dosen't much go into HHO:
To answer your question:
“seems” ?????? You need to take a lesson in basic engine building!
Those that use headers are trying to blot on horse power but forget about torque and the of dynamics of basic engine building. To adequately use headers you need to use a *true* exhaust system to expel gases, and as well as have back pressure to keep torque and valve endurance. Supercharging the system will give the engine the dynamics needed for proper use and application. So yes you have bolt on’s and then you have *reality*.
Of course. But again you forget about what I said:
This is a discussion and with some actions cause a re-action. The only thing I’m trying to say is IT CAN WORK we just need to figure it out or find something else.
I like my Jack!!!!!!!! BTW I like slaughter of squirrels.......LOL
I have to add to your post. I like the Port and Polished heads head obtion but I already have them!
I wanted to add some insight even tho it dosen't much go into HHO:
Why do you need a supercharger to warrant headers? That seems like one of the easiest bolt on products that is actually proven to show gains.
“seems” ?????? You need to take a lesson in basic engine building!
Those that use headers are trying to blot on horse power but forget about torque and the of dynamics of basic engine building. To adequately use headers you need to use a *true* exhaust system to expel gases, and as well as have back pressure to keep torque and valve endurance. Supercharging the system will give the engine the dynamics needed for proper use and application. So yes you have bolt on’s and then you have *reality*.
The government had time to develop an atom bomb but you don't think they spent any time working to improve range?
hydrashocker
because of the unpredictability concerning altitude, relative humidity, temp, personal and many other issues. As you should know the military doesn’t want to have a un-reliable piece of equipment deciding if the troops come home but rather FACT.
because of the unpredictability concerning altitude, relative humidity, temp, personal and many other issues. As you should know the military doesn’t want to have a un-reliable piece of equipment deciding if the troops come home but rather FACT.
I hope you don't get your panties in a wad over this.
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Are the squirrels fighting for nutts?
The thread topic is: anybody tried HHO? I answered why you shouldn't bother trying it. If you want to try it that's fine, as I stated at the beginning of my initial thread. It's not negative to tell you it doesn't work, just informative. If you take it as negative, that's on you. If I misinterpreted the point of the thread, I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was a "pump me up and tell me how great HHO is," thread. I also apologize for my "14 pages is enough" comment, that was a lack of tact on my part.
The "Ram" is here to shoot it to you straight, it doesn't work. I didn't realize I wasn't "allowed" to post in the Durango section. I'm just posting what I know to try to help you. I already told you, I wish it did work, but it doesn't. Drumming up a little Ram owner hatred won't make it work either. And I'm not really sure why I need to "go post in a Ford or Honda forum" either. What exactly does that mean?
There's several members here who have posted up problems with the system, and not just in this Durango thread. It's all over the board in multiple sections. There's always somebody suggesting "one more thing to buy", to make it work. When that thing doesn't work, it's "well, add this too." There's nothing that's going to make it work.
A bunch of people buying into a false concept doesn't validate it either. That's like insisting the world is still flat. Well, not unless those people resort to hanging naysayers, then they can believe anything they want, even if it isn't necessarily so. YOUTUBE has no scientific credibility whatsoever. Can anyone here post a link of a video of a reputable company doing a controlled MPG test on an HHO generator? Being able to wrench on an engine doesn't make a person knowledgable about the physics or chemistry involved in this process. Why does nobody even go talk to their local high school chemistry and physics teachers to discuss the contraption? They can tell you it's bunk.
The "Ram" is here to shoot it to you straight, it doesn't work. I didn't realize I wasn't "allowed" to post in the Durango section. I'm just posting what I know to try to help you. I already told you, I wish it did work, but it doesn't. Drumming up a little Ram owner hatred won't make it work either. And I'm not really sure why I need to "go post in a Ford or Honda forum" either. What exactly does that mean?
There's several members here who have posted up problems with the system, and not just in this Durango thread. It's all over the board in multiple sections. There's always somebody suggesting "one more thing to buy", to make it work. When that thing doesn't work, it's "well, add this too." There's nothing that's going to make it work.
A bunch of people buying into a false concept doesn't validate it either. That's like insisting the world is still flat. Well, not unless those people resort to hanging naysayers, then they can believe anything they want, even if it isn't necessarily so. YOUTUBE has no scientific credibility whatsoever. Can anyone here post a link of a video of a reputable company doing a controlled MPG test on an HHO generator? Being able to wrench on an engine doesn't make a person knowledgable about the physics or chemistry involved in this process. Why does nobody even go talk to their local high school chemistry and physics teachers to discuss the contraption? They can tell you it's bunk.
You say it doesn't work. that you can't make HHO well take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTla49J2e0oNow what is he using to cut the metal?
Right HHO. So how could we not try to use this for our cars?
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Let's all agree to disagree...
The one thing I can understand working is highway driving since it creates a signifigant steady vacuum. As sharp stated it doesn't work with in town driving. My biggest thing to ask is if someone is taking a road trip is to fill up and run through a tank with their normal driving on the highway. Record your mileage and do the math to come up with mpg's, afterward turn on said HHO generator and continue on your trip with the same driving style. Fill up and do the math again. I don't necessarrily need a scientist to tell me if something works or not if in reality it is working. What I do need are solid numbers with an unbiased approach. Hell maybe I'll take up the challenge with just the HHO generator next time I take a road trip. I drive like a granny now (damn near got me a hefty ticket recently for 20 over) so my numbers will be solid.
The one thing I can understand working is highway driving since it creates a signifigant steady vacuum. As sharp stated it doesn't work with in town driving. My biggest thing to ask is if someone is taking a road trip is to fill up and run through a tank with their normal driving on the highway. Record your mileage and do the math to come up with mpg's, afterward turn on said HHO generator and continue on your trip with the same driving style. Fill up and do the math again. I don't necessarrily need a scientist to tell me if something works or not if in reality it is working. What I do need are solid numbers with an unbiased approach. Hell maybe I'll take up the challenge with just the HHO generator next time I take a road trip. I drive like a granny now (damn near got me a hefty ticket recently for 20 over) so my numbers will be solid.
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[QUOTE=Mean Green;1452129] Hell maybe I'll take up the challenge with just the HHO generator next time I take a road trip. QUOTE]
I'll challenge any eco vehicle.. Based on mpg..
Garunteeeeed to win every time...
Lowest numer wins....
I'll challenge any eco vehicle.. Based on mpg..
Garunteeeeed to win every time...
Lowest numer wins....
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^ LOL ^
I can see that your right foot is heavy as well......LOL
I drive like a granny now (damn near got me a hefty ticket recently for 20 over) so my numbers will be solid.
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hydrashocker
I can see that your right foot is heavy as well......LOL
I can see that your right foot is heavy as well......LOL
The guy above me... /\ yupp up there/\ has the heaviest foot. He's the main reason elephants and kangaroos must leave the Artic due to melting ice.
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lol im pretty sure was have heavy right foot (something about driving the most kick *** vehicle out ther w/ a v8 engine tends to do that i think), at least i do i talked my way down froma 41 in a 25 ticket to a tag light ticket (that was back in Feb) and yea it lightens the foot and increases the MPGS
(that was back in Feb) and yea it lightens the foot and increases the MPGS
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That’s all right, I'll take the blame for the right heavy foot.
Back on my 16th birthday I was abducted by aliens and they installed a piece of lead into my right foot. I think they did it via **** probe!!!!!
I think that's what happened cause my *** sure hurt!!!!!!
I think this continues down my heavy right foot even today and pushes the throttle to the floor!........LOL
Back to the basic's tho. Every one I've seen have any success is on low steady RPM with minimum intake thus utilizes more Hydrogen. I am surprised about the heat I'm seeing generated brought to attention by squirrel.
Watching the torch output video it closely resembles acetylene, which is what the experiment is using it for. Gasoline cannot do this and that I'm sure. This is why acetylene is used. This brings up the subject of what ratio should be used to get the effect of mileage but not weld a motor or cause premature ware?????
Back on my 16th birthday I was abducted by aliens and they installed a piece of lead into my right foot. I think they did it via **** probe!!!!!
I think that's what happened cause my *** sure hurt!!!!!!
I think this continues down my heavy right foot even today and pushes the throttle to the floor!........LOL
Back to the basic's tho. Every one I've seen have any success is on low steady RPM with minimum intake thus utilizes more Hydrogen. I am surprised about the heat I'm seeing generated brought to attention by squirrel.
Watching the torch output video it closely resembles acetylene, which is what the experiment is using it for. Gasoline cannot do this and that I'm sure. This is why acetylene is used. This brings up the subject of what ratio should be used to get the effect of mileage but not weld a motor or cause premature ware?????
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Hey miss fighting squirrels You say it doesn't work. that you can't make HHO well take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTla49J2e0o
Now what is he using to cut the metal? Right HHO. So how could we not try to use this for our cars?
You say it doesn't work. that you can't make HHO well take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTla49J2e0oNow what is he using to cut the metal?
Right HHO. So how could we not try to use this for our cars?Your car's PCM doesn't know what HHO is, there's no fuel trims or maps for it, so it'll pull in X amount of air per unit of fuel, regardless of whether or not there's a minute amount of hydrogen in there or not. The minuscule amount of hydrogen in that air from an HHO generator doesn't push the piston further, faster, or harder, so you're not producing more power.
If your using a device to manipulate the MAP sensor, you're just leaning out the fuel, thus the "gas savings". You don't need the HHO generator at all for this effect and the Hydrogen produced doesn't substitute the leaned out ratio. The A/F ratios we talk about in I.C.E.'s are based on gas or diesel, not Hydrogen, which has a whole different set of properties governing it. The car runs much hotter lean and that's not good for the engine.
Also don't forget the basic scientific rulethat there's no such thing as free energy. The gas engine is creating the power to run the Alt that you're tapping into to run the HHo generator. A best case scenario for a gas engine is roughly 20% efficient. The HHO generator doesn't run at 100% effciency either so you're losing just by running it.
Think of it this way. Can the electric company "kick start" an electrical turbine (with lets say, oh HHO) that would then in turn run another turbine to feed the first? What would be the point? Even at 100% theoretical effciency (that's impossible BTW), there's no extra power being produced to add to the national power grid. And where did the power come from in the first place ot create the HHO? Robbing Peter to pay Paul doesn't really get you anywhere.
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Not anymore...
I think the only reason I got out of that is because
1. it was like 4:45 AM
2. I made the cop laugh
3. I think this is the big one, I work for the hospital (that I was driving to at the time) and maybe it was professional courtesy? That's what I heard from my coworkers.
