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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 07:17 PM
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Ok,,, I going to wait till after the weeken an start tearing down the heads then I could see if its the gasets, An if I can see from looking at em the I will see what a shop says after they check em out for me,,, The head do need to be takeing to a shop an check out an be shaved I guess they call it,, I don't think it good to take em off an put em back on like the are,,,
 
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 10:10 PM
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if ya oil is has water in it an ya oil is milky then how could ya tell if the block is crack of if its just the head gaset bad
An the D didn't have any water at all cause it didn't even have a ratorater in it,,,
I'm not quite following then, if no water was in the truck then how did it get into the oil after you changed it? Also if you type English and not street tard then that surely will help us help you.

Now if you did put water in it and started it and the oil then because contaminated with the water you put in it then you have a gasket issue. Also you said water, not coolant, so I hope it hasn't gotten below freezing with plain water in it.

Also, since you drained the system the gaskets might have dried out causing the leak between the oil and coolant jackets. This can happen in the intake, heads, and timing cover.

Being that you did a compression test, (which you do with the engine warm (if possible HOT temp), throttle fully open, and test) it does appear like the bottom end of the motor is good with those numbers.

Without knowing exactly what you have done before and why, and why the radiator was out in the first place (most likely he overheated it), we could most likely have a close case, but without all the necessary information everyone here is wasting their time.

Just my 2 cents!
 

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Old Apr 27, 2012 | 03:10 PM
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Well hydrashocker,, My D has been setting for 4 to 6 years,, When I 1st seen it the front bumper was off an the passeger side fender was off an the ratorator was gone an the PCM box was inside the D laying in the floor,, Guy told me its been setting cause of bad health an the owner died,, I checked the oil an it was just black oil,, Had it towed home,, I change the oil before I did anything to it an the filter,, Got a ratorator for it an put it in,, I took the PCM box an put it back in where it goes,, The gas gage was reading just over empty, I put 10 gallons of gas in it,, I tryed to start the D an it was trying to start but wouldn't so I thought its cause of the bad gas in the lines,, I crank the motor over an bleed the gas line out,, Good gas was comeing up then,, I tryed to start it again an it sounded better on trying to start,, I ran the batt down so I hooked up my charger to that has the 150 amp boost engine starter,, I tryed to start it again an again an again it was trying to start,, As I was cranking it with the boost charger it blew the PCM box,,, So I got one off of ebay an it had the same numbers that mine did,,, I hooked it up an my D would start then die,, It would start an run just a couple second an dies an will do that all day an week,, So I was told that the PCM needed to be programed for my D with my Vin numbers,, Took it to the dealer an they tryed to program it but couldn't cause it was the wrong PCM box for my D,, I needed a PCM box that works with the black key,, I order a new PCM box an when I got it then I hooked it up an it still start an die,, Called the place where I ordered the PCM box an they sending me another new one,,, Ok,, So just so happens when I took off the PCM box I fig I would just check the oil an make sure it was ok,,,, Well when I checked the oil an on the dip stick was all milky like an about 6 inches up the dip stick way past the full mark,, So this is the story about my D an was just wondering if it could just be the head gasets that mite be bad or maybe a crack block or crack heads,,, Its didn't smoke at all the times it did run the couple seconds an it did run smooth,,
 
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Old Apr 27, 2012 | 11:25 PM
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Thank you for being diplomatic.

Thank you for actually giving us what history you know and explaining what the issues are you are having. See all that meaningless information to you is like GOLD to a technician. Now for your answer.

Most likely the owner overheated the motor, which in turn caused the engine to run eratically. See, he replaced the PCM because he thought the engine was fine, but it wasn't.

Then most likely he pulled the radiator because he thought that was the problem. But it still didn't fix the issues he was having. Then he died.


So if I am correct, he over heated the engine. This made the valves act funny and stick. So he replaced the PCM and without that being the issue tried the radiator, but lost time.

What I would do is remove the top end of the motor and replace a entire head gasket set. This set comes with everything you would need except the timing chain cover, so replace if you think so. I would have a shop look at the heads and mill them as necessary.

Next, I would replace the water pump and hoses. Finish by installing a new radiator, then pray.

If everything works out, you got a decent deal, if not lets say you know how to tear the motor apart so at this point you can pull it out in no time and have the bottom end rebuilt or replaced.

Sounds like a fun party.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2012 | 09:00 AM
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Well it seems like water would have already been in the oil when I checked it before I even brought it home at that time,, I don't see any oil an water mixing in the ratorator as if for now,, But the D hasn't been running much eigther just start an dies,,,,An I have done that for a few times,, I going to start pulling the heads off Monday late afternoon sometimes then I will see for sure I hope,,
 
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Old Apr 28, 2012 | 06:16 PM
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FYI you can check to see if compression is making it into the cooling system. I cannot remember the name of the stuff but NAPA carries it. It is a tube that you put a blue liquid in and place in the fill neck of the radiator/fill neck. It chemically reacts with the combustion gases and will turn the liquid green. If you go into napa they will know exactly what you are asking for. Sorry for being so vague.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2012 | 12:30 AM
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Thanks Mean Green,, I will go to NAPA Monday morning an ask about that,, But I still feel it will be best to just pull the heads off an go from there,, I am hopeing that the gasets went bad from setting them years,,
 
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Old Apr 29, 2012 | 12:40 AM
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Hopefully it works out for ya. If you are taking the heads off you should have them ported and do 1.7:1 rocker arms with a custom tune from hemifever. Just a thought......
 
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Old Apr 29, 2012 | 01:20 AM
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As for the start and die, that could be the security feature or even a fuse. Reset the alarm and check all fuses.

I find it strange it will start and die, is your battery fully charged and good, have you checked connections, have you tried keeping your foot into the throttle when it does start?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2012 | 01:39 AM
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A simple bad battery will cause a lot of issues Along with bad connection or cables. I think it may still be a security system failure. Mine does not have a gray key and I still have security. I wonder If maybe the motor was flooded with gas and it went into the oil pan. Just some thoughts going around in my head. Have u smelled the oil?
 
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