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Old Dec 4, 2024 | 03:38 PM
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So I have a 1993 Dodge D-150 with the 5.2L engine. About a month ago went to start the truck and is started momentarily then kind of stumbled a bit and died. Then it would not start at all. Verified spark at the coil but did not have spark of the spark plug.



I replaced the wires, plugs, cap, rotor, cam sensor and crank sensor. Set the firing order per the book and would not start. Them I removed the front of the engine to get at the timing chain and timing gears. The timing chain and gears were still intact but the "dot to dot" alignment was off by a tooth. Replaced the timing chain and gears as well as realigned the dots. Also, I removed the driver side valve cover bared the engine over to TDC compression on cylinder #1 and verified the rotor position which was not point a what should be one on the cap, it was two places counter clockwise. I reassembled the front end of the engine set the firing order on the cap based off the new position of #1 and the truck fired right up.



Now here is where the story gets interesting. Took the truck for a test drive and drove great until the engine warmed up and then begin what I call the shuttering. A total momentary global loss of spark in all 8 cylinders. But if you mash on the gas it stops, if you are coasting or decelerating it stops, it is only when cruising or light acceleration from a stop after the engine warms up does the shuttering phenomena happen. This lead me to think it was related to open/closed loop fueling. Unplugged the PCM coolant temp sensor and the O2 sensor and the same behavior existed once the engine came up to temp. I tried swapping in a different PCM from a friend and the same behavior was present. I am running out of ideas and patience. My next thought is to start replacing all the sensors that feed into the PCM…. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2024 | 04:08 PM
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If you turned the distributor, then fuel sync is now off. May need to pull the disty, and reset it as close as you can back to zero. There is a procedure for that in the service manual. If you need one, get it here.
 
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If you turned the distributor, then fuel sync is now off. May need to pull the disty, and reset it as close as you can back to zero. There is a procedure for that in the service manual. If you need one, get it here.
I didn’t turn the distributor just reorder the plug wires on the cap on I confirm tbc compression on #1
 
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Old Dec 4, 2024 | 06:32 PM
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Ah, still, fuel sync is gonna be off. The rotor needs to be pointing at the notch in the distributor body, and that is also where number one plug wire goes. (with cylinder 1 in firing position.)
 
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I get all goofed up over computer controlled engines. Rotating the plug wires on the cap to correct distributor placement ..... only works on 6 cylinders

I had a 4cyl Datsun that was done to ... it ran and I drove it, just never ran right. I finally figured out the distributor was a tooth off and corrected it ... it ran great.
Same thing with a 1967 international. Uncle Floyd drove it everywhere for a few years ... new V8 long block from NAPA. Floyd installed distributor wrong and adjusted plug wires ... never had the power it should.
I fixed it and he could not believe the difference.

So my first thought in reading your post, you need to fix the distributor first, then troubleshoot your issue. If you still have a issue.

With all that said, my old Dodge 6 cylinder has the same issue, and "I" adjusted the plug wires on the cap to correct the timing.
The old flathead 6's the timing is set off of the oil pump ... or you install the oil pump the same way as a distributor .... then the distributor is run off the oil pump.
My #1 is at 6:00 0'clock when it should be at 7 0'clock ..... the 6 cylinders just do not care. They run the same .

I blame it on the spacing of the wires on the cap. .... the 4 cylinder they are too far apart. The V8 they are too close together .... 6 cylinder the spacing is just right.
 
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