Running truck with added water power
This is a response posted by Djseth in the neon forum, my dad, an electrical engineer with a masters and doctorate in physics agrees
Hey guys, its a scam. I am a mechanical engineer, and I get paid to try and develop things like this. If it worked, do you think they would be selling plans for a few bucks? Usually my company will spend around 100K trying to devlop something like this.
If you study physics and thermodydamics, you can see that this doesn't really do much. As you try and use electrolysis to seperate water (with some sort of salt additive, because pure water doesn't support electrical flux you must use a solution), you make an exponentially higher resistive circut for the alternator or battey to combat. As you do this, the stress of the engine increases. This in turn, will cause a reduction is performance and fuel economy. Furthermore, the stoichiometry doesn't support the claims they make. The volume of water doesn't make that much H-OH (hydorgen hydroxide) to burn. V=IR so if you increase the resistance, the current must drop to sustain the same voltage. This means that you could potientially put a serious drain on your electrial system.
Simply put the basic laws of thermodynamics apply. You can't get more energy out of a system then you put into it. This being the case, to seperate water, combust it, and have the main byproduct be water, doesn't put you at a higher energy level than when the system started. You are not introducing more energy in the form of work into or out of the system. All things being equal, you must account for added system losses.
Sorry, it just won't work. If you buy it, more power to you. Please reply with any findings that you come up with.
Hey guys, its a scam. I am a mechanical engineer, and I get paid to try and develop things like this. If it worked, do you think they would be selling plans for a few bucks? Usually my company will spend around 100K trying to devlop something like this.
If you study physics and thermodydamics, you can see that this doesn't really do much. As you try and use electrolysis to seperate water (with some sort of salt additive, because pure water doesn't support electrical flux you must use a solution), you make an exponentially higher resistive circut for the alternator or battey to combat. As you do this, the stress of the engine increases. This in turn, will cause a reduction is performance and fuel economy. Furthermore, the stoichiometry doesn't support the claims they make. The volume of water doesn't make that much H-OH (hydorgen hydroxide) to burn. V=IR so if you increase the resistance, the current must drop to sustain the same voltage. This means that you could potientially put a serious drain on your electrial system.
Simply put the basic laws of thermodynamics apply. You can't get more energy out of a system then you put into it. This being the case, to seperate water, combust it, and have the main byproduct be water, doesn't put you at a higher energy level than when the system started. You are not introducing more energy in the form of work into or out of the system. All things being equal, you must account for added system losses.
Sorry, it just won't work. If you buy it, more power to you. Please reply with any findings that you come up with.
I think a lot of the HHO stuff is misunderstood, no perpetual motion machines or breaking any laws of thermal dynamichere!
I've been researching it for some time and have been a skeptic until recently.
The hydrogen injected into the combustion system is simply meant to aid in the combustion of the gasoline, not replace when you are talking about an HHO kit.
A lot of the injected fuel is wasted and shot out the tail pipe, if we can burn some of that instead of wasting it and improved the actual combustion we can tune our cars to use less gas. You need and EFIE and some patience but I'm confident it can be done. My project is in the works.
Good luck everyone.
Cheers,
Shawn
I've been researching it for some time and have been a skeptic until recently.
The hydrogen injected into the combustion system is simply meant to aid in the combustion of the gasoline, not replace when you are talking about an HHO kit.
A lot of the injected fuel is wasted and shot out the tail pipe, if we can burn some of that instead of wasting it and improved the actual combustion we can tune our cars to use less gas. You need and EFIE and some patience but I'm confident it can be done. My project is in the works.
Good luck everyone.
Cheers,
Shawn
I've done all the research and I'm in the process of getting everything together for my Hydronator. I'll post details, data, pictures and video once I'm complete.
Once skeptical and pesimistic, I'm optimistic about my resultsas I now understand the science.
I'm going to start with a Hydronator and a EFIE to lean the fuel out. Both controlled by a switch and a relay to my ignition.
My Hydronator is going to run KOH (potassum hydroxide) and distilled water.
Cheers,
Shawn
Once skeptical and pesimistic, I'm optimistic about my resultsas I now understand the science.
I'm going to start with a Hydronator and a EFIE to lean the fuel out. Both controlled by a switch and a relay to my ignition.
My Hydronator is going to run KOH (potassum hydroxide) and distilled water.
Cheers,
Shawn
oh yeah Jason?
what is the basis of your "guarantee"?
you think that the same corporations that have reduced our average MPG 40% in 100 years and that installed sensors into car engines which peg gas mileage at or below the level they will allow is going to be interested in a small installation which boosts MPG using water?
are you that naive, really?
what is the basis of your "guarantee"?
you think that the same corporations that have reduced our average MPG 40% in 100 years and that installed sensors into car engines which peg gas mileage at or below the level they will allow is going to be interested in a small installation which boosts MPG using water?
are you that naive, really?
seems to be a hot topic
alot of the first gen durango guys are trying hho check it out
https://dodgeforum.com/m_1326144/tm.htm
alot of the first gen durango guys are trying hho check it out
https://dodgeforum.com/m_1326144/tm.htm



