As long as your not using hid headlights you should be fine. For some odd reason when using HID heads, it ****s up the foglights. Mine did on both trucks, ended up installing my own switch for the fogs.

 

so the halogen heads and HID fogs will be fine? Thanks, All knowledgable User :P

I bet it's because of the cutoff switch for the fogs...HIDs probably fool it into thinking high beams are on or something (like there's an amp-draw switch or something, and cuts the fogs off, might also be from electrical noise going through the CTM. But I'm just plug and play, that's good to know. Thanks.

I like the kit you linked to because it comes with a bracket. Not sure I have those same bolts though, will have to look.

Here's what I've got, for replacing an 898 bulb-

Normal HID Kit (Single Beam)
Output - 35W
Enhanced Accessories - None
Bulb Type - 880/881/893
Color Temp. - 6000K (white-blue)
$41.45

 

That said, I have to drain waterproof the housings first. That should be a trip in itself.

 

I dont have an issue with my fog light switch when my Low beam HID's are on..

Yes the halogens and the HID fogs wont hurt a thing.

Once your HID fogs are in, the low beams are going to look yellow and washed out.

 

If I was gonna do the whole conversion, i'd get the proper projector lenses...and I can't find any made by a US/decent company for a decent price. Are the silverstar ultras still considered a yellow lamp? (I thought they were supposed to be in the fake HID category)

Should I get the relay kit, then, so i'm future-proof? Only thing i dont like is that it only feeds off one side, so I've still got one connector open to the elements.

And if I understand it right, even with HID headlights, halogen fogs still wont work right? or is it only when both systems are HID? Otherwise, I'd wire the HID's to dash switch and 55W halogens to the factory switch, so it looks "normal" until i flip the HID's on (would also future proof me, so that I could have HID high beam and HID fog on at same time, and light things up a mile away).

Here are the projectors I found for dakotas, other than the ebay specials.

http://www.protuninglab.com/hid-pro-yd-ddak97-bk.html 245/pr

http://www.kingsource.com/2lhpdak97jmbtm.html 230/pr

http://www.handhelditems.com/dodge-d...-p-151506.html 200/pr

 

The Silverstar Ultras arent considered a yellow light. They are 100 times better then normal stock lights. But with HID's the Silverstar ultras will look yellow compared to the HID's.

I dont see a need for a relay for having HIDs in the lows and fogs. I dont and My truck is fine. I have HID;'s in every vehicle I own and have never had a problem runnign them off my factory wiring harness. They will be fine as long as you dont bump up the wattage of each HID kit.

With HID lows the halogen fogs will work fine. With HID fogs Halogen Lows will work just fine. With Both HID fogs and Lows they will work just fine. There is no reason why any of the circumstances wont work together.

 

I'm just saying, if it's going to look wierd with the HID fogs and halogen lows, should I look into HID lows/HID bi's in the future?

 

Just an FYI on the matter. I bolded the keypoints. I see nothing that says that a set of lamps can hold multiple definitions. Which, to me, means that every set of lights can be called something different.

Based on the loopholes I see here, a vehicle can have up to 10 beams of light mounted to the front:

2x fog (12-30")
2x driving (16-42")
2x passing (24-42")
2x low beam (24-42")
2x high beam (24-42")

Now, it says that FOG lamps can only be used with the low beams. For driving and passing lamps, it only says that it must comply with 547.333......but 547.33 says nothing about lower lights shutting off with high beams, only having different combinations being user selectable. Which opens the door to being able to leave your driving/passing lights on with your high beams....just not your fogs.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. I think i'll HID my fogs and keep it at that. If I wanted to get creative, I could call the fogs driving lights, and call the driving lights fogs. But i dont think my fogs make the 16" rule (pretty sure the driving lights do). That way I could have HID fogs ("driving lights") and high beams at same time, with the driving lights ("fogs") turned off automatically.

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HID Kits are illegal to SELL as DOT approved for steet use due to FEDERAL regualtion and none of the kits that use HID bulbs to replace standard halogen bulbs in a halogen housing should have a DOT seal or marking. DOT does not approve or disapprove headlight components. It is strictly up to the manufacturer to certify that they meet the federal DOT specs, which none of them do since the HID light source is a different position, size, and shape than the halogen filament the housing was designed for. The fact it plugs into a standard housing for H1 or H3 halogen bulbs is not relevant.

That said, there are no longer any headlight aiming requirements for inspection since the 90s in Texas. There are only laws for headlight height and distance they must illuminate (150 ft). They cannot be red in color and they must be functional and condensation free. This makes it perfectly legal to use HIDs that are blinding other motorists on high beam since all HID set ups in halogen reflector housings do this when adjusted to give the driver a good view of the road ahead. They can be as bright as you want, any color temerature as you want, and as blinding as you want ON HIGH BEAM. There are no TEXAS LAWS preventing use if adjusted correctly and only federal laws preventing sale for street use. The only statute that covers aiming states your low beams must illuminate at 150 feet minimum and not project the high intensity portion of the beam into oncoming driver's eyes. This only applies to the low beams.

Driving lights and fog light have no aiming requirements for inspection and are not tested as part of the Texas inspetion process. They have no color or disance requirements but cannot be red in color. This makes HID driving and fog light retrofits also completely legal for inspection purpposes.

Instead of putting HIDs in a halogen reflector housoing, it is much more responsible to do an HID projector retrofit that uses the entire projector assebly and D2S bulbs from an OEM manufacturered HID projector set up so that you do not blind other drivers and have a sharp cut off line at the top of your low beams; however, such kits are 3-4X more expensive than a plug and play kit and require custom installation. The up side is that the D2S bulbs and improved distribution of light can put over twice the usabale light on the road an HID kit that replacs the halogen bulb in a factory housing will project.

Likewise, using propper color temperature bulbs such as 4100-5000K will produce the maximum lumen output. For example, a 6000K bulb only puts out about 2/3 the lumens of a 4300K bulb, all else being equal. The higher the color temperature above 6000K, the lower the lumen output and the more glare the driver will see in foggy/rainy conditions. All OEM factory HID systems will range between 4-5K temperature for this reason.

§ 547.004. GENERAL OFFENSES. (a) A person commits an
offense that is a misdemeanor if the person operates or moves or, as
an owner, knowingly permits another to operate or move, a vehicle
that:
(1) is unsafe so as to endanger a person;
(2) is not equipped in a manner that complies with the
vehicle equipment standards and requirements established by this
chapter; or
(3) is equipped in a manner prohibited by this
chapter.

COMBINED WITH

§ 547.3215. USE OF FEDERAL STANDARD. Unless specifically
prohibited by this chapter, lighting, reflective devices, and
associated equipment on a vehicle or motor vehicle must comply
with:
(1) the current federal standards in 49 C.F.R. Section
571.108; or
(2) the federal standards in that section in effect,
if any, at the time the vehicle or motor vehicle was manufactured.


Now the federal standard does not allow for HID with halogen reflectors to be used as they source of replacement bulb light must be halogen for halogen lights and xenon for xenon lights. This would seem to counter the idea that the retrofit is legal. It would also make it an arrestable offense since its not one of the two traffic citations that you cannot be instantered for (speeding and open container).

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u...ighlightType=1 (not sure exactly how old this is)

Sec. 547.328. FOG LAMPS PERMITTED. (a) A motor vehicle may be equipped with not more than two fog lamps.

(b) A fog lamp shall be:

(1) mounted on the front of the vehicle at a height from 12 to 30 inches; and

(2) aimed so that no part of the high-intensity portion of the beam from a lamp mounted to the left of center on a vehicle projects a beam of light at a distance of 25 feet that is higher than four inches below the level of the center of the lamp.

(c) Lighted fog lamps may be used with lower headlamp beams as specified by Section 547.333.


Sec. 547.329. AUXILIARY PASSING LAMPS PERMITTED. (a) A motor vehicle may be equipped with no more than two auxiliary passing lamps.

(b) An auxiliary passing lamp shall be mounted on the front of the vehicle at a height from 24 to 42 inches.

(c) An auxiliary passing lamp may be used with headlamps as specified by Section 547.333.

Sec. 547.330. AUXILIARY DRIVING LAMPS PERMITTED. (a) A motor vehicle may be equipped with no more than two auxiliary driving lamps.

(b) An auxiliary driving lamp shall be mounted on the front of the vehicle at a height from 16 to 42 inches.

(c) Auxiliary driving lamps may be used with headlamps as specified by Section 547.333.


Sec. 547.333. MULTIPLE-BEAM LIGHTING EQUIPMENT REQUIRED. (a) Unless provided otherwise, a headlamp, auxiliary driving lamp, auxiliary passing lamp, or combination of those lamps mounted on a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle or motor-driven cycle:

(1) shall be arranged so that the operator can select at will between distributions of light projected at different elevations; and

(2) may be arranged so that the operator can select the distribution automatically.

(b) A lamp identified by Subsection (a) shall produce:

(1) an uppermost distribution of light or composite beam that is aimed and emits light sufficient to reveal a person or vehicle at a distance of at least 450 feet ahead during all conditions of loading; and

(2) a lowermost distribution of light or composite beam that:

(A) is aimed and emits light sufficient to reveal a person or vehicle at a distance of at least 150 feet ahead; and

(B) is aimed so that no part of the high-intensity portion of the beam on a vehicle that is operated on a straight, level road under any condition of loading projects into the eyes of an approaching vehicle operator.

(c) A person who operates a vehicle on a roadway or shoulder shall select a distribution of light or composite beam that is aimed and emits light sufficient to reveal a person or vehicle at a safe distance ahead of the vehicle, except that:

(1) an operator approaching an oncoming vehicle within 500 feet shall select:

(A) the lowermost distribution of light or composite beam, regardless of road contour or condition of loading; or

(B) a distribution aimed so that no part of the high-intensity portion of the lamp projects into the eyes of an approaching vehicle operator; and

(2) an operator approaching a vehicle from the rear within 300 feet may not select the uppermost distribution of light.

(d) A motor vehicle of a model year of 1948 or later, other than a motorcycle or motor-driven cycle, that has multiple-beam lighting equipment shall be equipped with a beam indicator that is:

(1) designed and located so that the lighted indicator is visible without glare to the vehicle operator; and

(2) lighted only when the uppermost distribution of light is in use.

 

I have bi hids in my stock lenses and its fine. I have my one headlight plug inside of my fender and its been fine driving in rain when and when im out mudding.

 

If your looking for more light then yes. For the price you cant beat it. For the Bi Xenon HID's, ( you will have your low beam and high beam HID) That kit runs about $65. For about $100 total, you can your Fogs and Low and High beam HID's.