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Old Nov 20, 2012 | 05:06 PM
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I was going down the road and the light randomly came on. I did the keydance and got 0420 which I understand is the "cat is not good enough" code. I went home and hooked up my scan tool and got these values for the two O2 sensors.

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Movi Live Data
2012-11-20  15:58:04

Time(seconds)    Volts, %
108.054748    0.705, -1.56
108.487924    0.155, 0.00
108.937940    0.705, -0.78
109.370686    0.725, -1.56
109.803333    0.450, -0.78
110.238715    0.115, 0.78
110.676869    0.665, -0.78
111.126723    0.155, 0.78
111.562416    0.095, 2.34
111.996585    0.800, 0.00
112.424655    0.800, -0.78
112.859567    0.135, 1.56
113.295504    0.370, 2.34
113.729256    0.840, 0.00
114.165117    0.780, -0.78
114.597285    0.195, 1.56
115.035824    0.800, -0.78
115.464675    0.800, -0.78
115.899988    0.525, -0.78
116.334195    0.135, 1.56
116.769101    0.625, 0.78
117.184526    0.820, 0.00
117.622606    0.585, 0.00
118.054744    0.135, 2.34
118.486314    0.800, -0.78
118.920850    0.760, -0.78
119.356688    0.215, 0.78
119.761347    0.545, 0.78
120.160139    0.800, -0.78
120.594256    0.505, 0.00
121.028609    0.115, 2.34
121.465028    0.800, 0.00
121.898867    0.800, -0.78
122.333954    0.665, -0.78
122.780794    0.175, 0.78
123.230543    0.820, -0.78
123.664124    0.290, 0.00
124.116605    0.250, 1.56
124.550937    0.820, -0.78
124.985657    0.745, -1.56
125.418741    0.330, 0.00
125.856351    0.155, 0.78
126.288474    0.250, 0.78
126.723378    0.800, -0.78
127.160940    0.800, -1.56
127.591194    0.195, 0.00
128.024497    0.585, 0.00
128.476226    0.820, -1.56
128.908472    0.270, 0.00
129.343881    0.235, 0.78
129.776788    0.800, -1.56
130.211366    0.585, -1.56
130.646053    0.235, 0.00
131.080067    0.760, -1.56
131.519474    0.780, -2.34
131.948013    0.625, -2.34
132.383500    0.095, 0.78
132.816392    0.820, -1.56
133.250462    0.725, -1.56
133.673453    0.290, -0.78
134.103253    0.235, 0.78
134.558280    0.525, -0.78
134.996049    0.760, -1.56
135.440387    0.175, 0.00
135.874905    0.310, 0.78
136.307490    0.820, -1.56
136.741724    0.665, -1.56
137.175670    0.705, -1.56
137.610370    0.505, -1.56
138.044143    0.585, -0.78
138.478789    0.745, -2.34
138.917113    0.115, 0.00
139.345933    0.625, -0.78
139.785197    0.800, -2.34
140.253881    0.665, -2.34
140.683118    0.095, 0.78
141.121332    0.800, -1.56
141.538549    0.760, -2.34
141.969376    0.155, 0.00
142.424141    0.800, -1.56
142.853488    0.780, -2.34
143.288483    0.095, 0.00
143.724726    0.685, -0.78
144.158151    0.780, -1.56
144.595514    0.760, -2.34
145.028538    0.605, -1.56
145.463326    0.665, -2.34
145.893997    0.175, -0.78
146.331707    0.820, -2.34
146.761025    0.545, -2.34
147.195996    0.135, 0.00
147.620943    0.780, -2.34
148.086124    0.725, -2.34
148.515851    0.095, 0.00
148.950100    0.645, -0.78
149.387077    0.820, -2.34
149.823583    0.235, -0.78
150.272457    0.645, -0.78
150.702559    0.800, -2.34
151.138509    0.470, -2.34
151.570620    0.155, 0.00
152.006431    0.760, -2.34
152.440977    0.585, -2.34
152.874479    0.115, 0.00
153.309094    0.780, -2.34
153.769364    0.780, -2.34
154.210304    0.290, -1.56
154.644016    0.685, -2.34
155.079146    0.725, -3.12
155.513096    0.095, 0.00
155.950489    0.780, -2.34
156.381691    0.685, -2.34
156.816284    0.075, 0.78
157.249985    0.820, -1.56
157.683868    0.760, -2.34
158.123009    0.215, -0.78
158.558175    0.525, 0.00
159.003919    0.800, -1.56
159.436786    0.685, -2.34
159.872666    0.270, -0.78
160.327592    0.390, 0.00
160.757964    0.820, -2.34
161.192655    0.585, -2.34
161.626702    0.310, 0.00
162.063887    0.800, -2.34
162.496501    0.645, -3.12
162.928614    0.115, 0.00
163.366498    0.820, -2.34
163.796287    0.685, -2.34
164.230053    0.115, 0.00
164.669326    0.800, -2.34
165.097837    0.370, -1.56
165.533925    0.095, 0.78
165.966719    0.840, -1.56
166.417539    0.760, -2.34
166.854448    0.115, 0.00
167.287017    0.800, -1.56
167.725756    0.725, -2.34
168.160381    0.155, 0.00
168.594437    0.780, -2.34
169.024360    0.725, -3.12
169.458921    0.115, 0.00
169.896900    0.820, -2.34
170.331044    0.800, -2.34
170.760508    0.195, -1.56
171.194929    0.490, 0.00
171.634594    0.800, -2.34
172.064888    0.350, -1.56
172.500624    0.135, 0.78
172.935651    0.800, -1.56
173.337333    0.645, -2.34
173.783630    0.175, 0.00
174.216889    0.800, -2.34
174.652306    0.685, -2.34
175.091155    0.135, 0.00
175.519225    0.780, -2.34
175.954601    0.330, -0.78
176.388042    0.270, 0.00
176.826045    0.800, -2.34
177.258320    0.095, 0.00
177.692192    0.840, -1.56
178.125820    0.745, -2.34
178.558475    0.175, 0.00
178.998332    0.800, -1.56
179.426532    0.705, -2.34
179.862094    0.075, 0.78
180.297429    0.820, -0.78
180.730389    0.760, -1.56
181.165508    0.195, 0.00
181.598299    0.135, 1.56
182.034468    0.800, -0.78
182.473181    0.705, -1.56
182.906372    0.270, 0.00
183.337238    0.585, 0.00
183.770328    0.760, -2.34
184.204954    0.175, 0.00
184.639581    0.800, -2.34
185.052605    0.800, -3.12
185.495725    0.135, -0.78
185.928694    0.310, 0.00
186.359892    0.760, -1.56
186.794029    0.235, -0.78
187.227331    0.250, 0.78
187.660126    0.820, -1.56
188.096033    0.780, -1.56
188.530597    0.075, 0.78
188.963675    0.705, 0.00
189.398895    0.800, -0.78
189.810715    0.075, 1.56
190.251002    0.525, 0.78
190.683999    0.840, -0.78
191.118706    0.745, -0.78
191.557076    0.175, 0.78
192.002770    0.800, -0.78
192.412615    0.760, -0.78
192.855510    0.450, 0.00
193.290288    0.175, 0.78
193.724882    0.800, -0.78
194.158051    0.725, -1.56
194.590450    0.175, 0.00
195.028598    0.250, 0.78
195.461640    0.800, -1.56
195.896575    0.135, 0.00
196.334291    0.115, 2.34
196.762989    0.840, -0.78
197.196059    0.760, -0.78
197.635855    0.155, 1.56
198.073075    0.820, -0.78
198.533398    0.745, -0.78
198.969878    0.705, -1.56
199.418668    0.135, 0.00
199.870122    0.525, 0.78
200.303773    0.820, -0.78
"Sensor 2"
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Movi Live Data
2012-11-20  15:58:05

Time(seconds)    Volts, %
108.187483    0.800
108.635294    0.780
109.066734    0.725
109.503583    0.800
109.938353    0.800
110.373505    0.745
110.810866    0.780
111.260239    0.780
111.695251    0.290
112.130390    0.760
112.558074    0.800
112.991919    0.800
113.430497    0.725
113.862816    0.820
114.295376    0.820
114.735238    0.800
115.168538    0.800
115.598415    0.800
116.035378    0.800
116.467473    0.685
116.900910    0.625
117.318073    0.800
117.758143    0.800
118.189337    0.780
118.622197    0.800
119.060872    0.820
119.460914    0.780
119.895584    0.685
120.295277    0.820
120.722470    0.800
121.160234    0.760
121.597561    0.820
122.023171    0.820
122.484415    0.820
122.919179    0.800
123.365579    0.820
123.806387    0.800
124.249125    0.760
124.683949    0.820
125.118668    0.820
125.552491    0.800
125.988448    0.780
126.425052    0.800
126.852441    0.800
127.291561    0.820
127.727963    0.800
128.160058    0.760
128.607547    0.820
129.042760    0.800
129.481203    0.780
129.909514    0.820
130.346333    0.800
130.779760    0.800
131.212952    0.780
131.651877    0.780
132.079992    0.800
132.515531    0.585
132.949422    0.665
133.384781    0.820
133.806246    0.780
134.253665    0.665
134.691276    0.800
135.142970    0.780
135.575197    0.780
136.011575    0.725
136.441513    0.820
136.875576    0.820
137.307466    0.800
137.743117    0.780
138.177293    0.760
138.615723    0.800
139.049723    0.780
139.478713    0.705
139.944200    0.820
140.386308    0.800
140.817165    0.745
141.233048    0.780
141.672596    0.820
142.103498    0.780
142.558744    0.800
142.987853    0.820
143.421118    0.800
143.853815    0.505
144.295825    0.820
144.729107    0.800
145.162370    0.800
145.597626    0.780
146.027886    0.760
146.465506    0.800
146.896304    0.820
147.330699    0.780
147.771611    0.800
148.219797    0.820
148.650525    0.780
149.083401    0.490
149.522041    0.820
149.971781    0.800
150.402226    0.685
150.836651    0.820
151.271347    0.800
151.705655    0.760
152.140828    0.800
152.577203    0.800
153.008167    0.745
153.442497    0.780
153.913684    0.800
154.343784    0.780
154.779027    0.725
155.210704    0.800
155.647236    0.760
156.079793    0.705
156.516379    0.800
156.953828    0.665
157.383738    0.665
157.817163    0.800
158.256637    0.780
158.705735    0.745
159.136318    0.820
159.571416    0.800
160.010659    0.800
160.459699    0.605
160.890925    0.800
161.329168    0.800
161.762197    0.745
162.196416    0.800
162.632266    0.800
163.060554    0.645
163.499632    0.780
163.930735    0.800
164.365479    0.725
164.803253    0.780
165.232854    0.800
165.665271    0.585
166.101463    0.780
166.551470    0.800
166.991274    0.760
167.419991    0.800
167.860135    0.800
168.292769    0.780
168.726624    0.780
169.157108    0.820
169.595651    0.780
170.030372    0.760
170.463086    0.820
170.894477    0.800
171.330124    0.605
171.767553    0.800
172.201312    0.800
172.634220    0.705
173.069400    0.800
173.471194    0.800
173.917257    0.780
174.351922    0.800
174.784115    0.820
175.223776    0.780
175.653845    0.780
176.088558    0.800
176.521301    0.705
176.960692    0.800
177.391032    0.760
177.824531    0.705
178.264035    0.800
178.697761    0.745
179.130465    0.800
179.562118    0.800
179.995741    0.505
180.429703    0.505
180.864959    0.800
181.297595    0.800
181.733511    0.390
182.170975    0.780
182.606827    0.800
183.038190    0.780
183.470291    0.760
183.902755    0.800
184.338215    0.760
184.772804    0.725
185.194328    0.800
185.631615    0.780
186.062890    0.235
186.491053    0.625
186.926876    0.760
187.360621    0.250
187.796172    0.745
188.234305    0.780
188.662352    0.450
189.099166    0.215
189.531214    0.780
189.953459    0.665
190.384550    0.270
190.817343    0.800
191.252593    0.800
191.691629    0.780
192.137348    0.760
192.559652    0.820
192.990068    0.800
193.422135    0.780
193.861464    0.780
194.291444    0.800
194.725689    0.800
195.164458    0.745
195.595351    0.820
196.034462    0.800
196.465818    0.430
196.896651    0.800
197.330599    0.800
197.769859    0.800
198.221934    0.800
198.666844    0.820
199.103006    0.800
199.560835    0.780
200.003601    0.290
200.437806    0.800
Is my Cat really bad? What do these values mean?
 
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Old Nov 20, 2012 | 05:20 PM
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Could be an 02 sensor.

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A code P0420 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
  • Leaded fuel was used where unleaded was called for
  • A damaged or failed oxygen sensor (HO2S)
  • Downstream oxygen sensor (HO2S) wiring damaged or connected improperly
  • The engine coolant temperature sensor is not working properly
  • Damaged or leaking exhaust manifold / catalytic converter / muffler / exhaust pipe
  • Retarded spark timing
  • The oxygen sensors in front and behind the converter are reporting too similar of readings
  • Leaking fuel injector or high fuel pressure
  • Cylinder misfire
  • Oil contamination
 

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Old Nov 20, 2012 | 07:43 PM
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02S2 is switching quite frequently near the end of your recording. So if the downstream 02 sensor is switching it usually means the catalyst isn't catalyzing... but it sure would be nice to see what the rest of the engine was doing when the downstream was switching.
 
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Old Nov 20, 2012 | 11:23 PM
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What exactly do you mean? I can run another report. RPM? Coolant Temp? IAT, MAP? From the look of all the readings, the values from the upstream and downstream O2s are very similar through out. Thus the Cat isn't working?
 

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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 12:28 AM
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Not near the end of your recording. The downstream started switching with the upstream. The rear 02 should barely ever move. It would be nice to see fuel trims and misfire monitor along with RPM and ECT. So my question is did the rear continue to switch even more as the you were looking at it?
 
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 02:51 AM
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I don't know. I didn't really look at it that much. I will look at it Friday at some point and use those as well. I will include fuel trims and...what is ECT?
 
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 03:22 AM
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ECT: Engine Coolant Temperature
 
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Old Nov 22, 2012 | 12:44 PM
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Yes, because it will make a difference how the 02 sensors behave with engine temperature and the engine won't even look at the 02 until it enters closed loop.
 
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