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Old 03-05-2014, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Wh1t3NuKle
The newer Pentastar engine puts the 4.0 to shame. It's one engine upgrade that actually makes sense.

Get with it kiddo!
I don't care! I wanna stay old school

Theres just many of the ole inline sixes driving around. You can't kill them.

Not sure if it's the same engine but that smaller pentastar they put in the rams actually has more power then our archaic 360s. With like twice the gas mileage.


There's something nice about simplicity though.

But what do I know I'm jist a wipper snapper
 
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Old 03-05-2014, 11:08 AM
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Looks to me like a Scion XB or Nissan Cube converted to 4WD.



 
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:07 PM
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^^^That's what I was thinking.
 
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:41 PM
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Starting to plan a cam swap! whoop whoop
 
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Old 03-05-2014, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HeyYou
I think Jeep, as a brand, is pretty much dead after the purchase by Fiat. Now, they are just all wheel drive minivans. Chrysler has been doing those better for years.
I'm not too fond of what jeep has become but I still think the rubicon is a beast and built solid. There's talk of the rubicon getting independent suspension in 2015 and when that happens, ill have no interest in jeep.
 
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Last word I got is that Jeep is going to keep the solid axle for a few more years. But like you if and when they go to an IFS & IRS I'm done. My wife had a Liberty when we got married but I had plans to put a solid axle in the front of it. Then she hit some ice one night and wrecked it. Now she has a JK and loves it. Until it is paid for I'll leave it pretty stock.
 
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So I'm just curious...

Why don't many off-roaders like IFS systems? Do they just not get as much traction? Or are they weaker?

Personally I dislike front wheel drive IFS because they come out of alignment all the time... But I LOVE the dual I-beam IFS on the Ford (It's 2WD, maybe thats it), it's a very smooth ride.
 
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:32 AM
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IFS on a 4 wheel drive has a boatload more parts, is more complicated to lift, and is, in general, weaker than a solid axle front suspension.

That said..... I can see advantages to the independent suspension... provided that you can get a good amount of travel out of it. Limiting factor there is the axles, and the angles they are capable of operating in. If you look at some of Whitenukels flex pics, you would have a REALLY hard time getting that amount of articulation from an IFS setup, without spending THOUSANDS of dollars on just the custom front axles.....
 
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generally IFS is weaker. Chevy is a good example of this...

drumstick tie rods anyone?



that said however, I do love the IFS on my 2wd S10. nice smooth ride and they used a much heavier front steering design back then.
 
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jigabop
generally IFS is weaker. Chevy is a good example of this...

drumstick tie rods anyone?



that said however, I do love the IFS on my 2wd S10. nice smooth ride and they used a much heavier front steering design back then.
Chevy IFS is just a POS, especially the coilover they used on their pre-2000 full size trucks. I've literally seen people trying to corner fast with them and have the damned axle go flying out from under the truck... That's why you will have a hard time finding a new IFS setup for a Chevy in a junkyard around here, cuz either they've all broken or they've all been pulled to replace broken ones.
 


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