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Old Nov 12, 2012 | 05:03 PM
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three years without a budget?
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by drewactual
Agreed.. both major parties are corrupt to the core.. there is not a single soul in national politics that stands for the wants and needs of their constituents/district they supposedly represent.. they pander to the party instead.. I guess I sound right wing, and maybe I am on some topics, but I'm left on some too, just none we cover..

As a young marine, I was taught and taught well that indecisiveness gets you killed at worst, loses your leadership at best.. we need decisive leaders now who aren't afraid to present, in its entirety, a plan that is fair AND JUST.. and then have the ***** to see it through.. we get a lot of salesmanship instead, and no follow through..
This goes along with something I was thinking about today at work. I think it is high time we had someone run that is not afraid to say it like it is, whether we want to hear it or not. Someone who doesn't care if he/she is liked or not.

I'm getting tired of these politicians that think they have to make everybody like them. Screw that. I want an honest to goodness ******* to run for once. Someone who is tough but fair, willing to do what it takes to turn things around no matter who's toes they step on.

Sort of like Gunny Highway in "Heartbreak Ridge". Not afraid to say what needs to be said. Willing to do what it takes to get the job done.

My dad had an idea years ago about politicians. He said that once a year we should line them all up, and shoot every third one. Keep the rest of them honest.
 

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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh_Putman
I think it is high time we had someone run that is not afraid to say it like it is, whether we want to hear it or not. Someone who doesn't care if he/she is liked or not.
what we have in American politics, is that it has developed, over the last several decades, into a self sufficient/feeding monster... an honest man who attempts to stand alone will be devoured in moments, publicly, and completely- to the point you, yourself, would say "well, serves that lying rascal right"...

in that sense, we are screwed... an old somali proverb:

Lie to a liar, for that is his trade
steal from a thief, as that is his honor
but always beware of an honest man.


honesty stands alone and has no margin for suffering foolishness.. politicians with a lack of integrity won't enter any type of contract with honesty- as by it's very nature it eliminates the fringe margin they require to serve themselves... whether you or others have ever realized it or not: when you lie to someone, or someone lies to you, and you accept it, you have entered a contract.. you gave margin for them to lie to you, or you to them, and the agreement will ultimately collapse to where someone gets screwed hard core... and then the person who gets screwed screams and points a finger at the other indicating their guilt, and at the same time denying their culpability- it's of humor to me to watch this, because damn near every single transaction/agreement I've entered where I got the shaft in my life was a product of me KNOWING I was being lied to, but wanting the service/product/asset so bad, that I accepted it...

for you young guys- here is a piece of advise I was gifted years ago that has served me extremely well in my life:

"if it takes more than one breath to explain something, there is a fair amount of bull snot present, and if you KNOW someone is lying to you, no matter how trivial, walk away- or you WILL get screwed.."

<- that is accepting personal responsibility... plain and simple.. bad crap happens to us, and we attempt to play victim as if we had no role.. it is rare (but it does happen) that we don't play a role in our own fate, but we're quick to blame the other because it didn't work out in our favor.. In politics, that is precisely what Americans, as a whole, have done.. and now, it's time to accept our fate- or leave.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 09:15 AM
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It's quite trivial that people actually think it would have been better with Mitt Romney as President.

Mittens isn't going to do anything for us, Obama isn't going to do too much for us without some compromise from the Republicans and Democrats (probably won't happen anytime soon)

Bottom line, deal with whoever sits in the oval office or move to a "better" country.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 10:16 AM
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I always say, just about every election since Reagan....3 million plus people in this counrty and we can't find anyone better than these ***** to run for office??
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jkeaton
I always say, just about every election since Reagan....3 million plus people in this counrty and we can't find anyone better than these ***** to run for office??
But we can find better people to run for office, but they are usually a 3rd party candidate, and they never have a chance to compete with the big money of the Democrats and Republicans, which is why we'll never have a president who isn't either on the Republican ticket or the Democratic Ticket.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by drewactual
what we have in American politics, is that it has developed, over the last several decades, into a self sufficient/feeding monster... an honest man who attempts to stand alone will be devoured in moments, publicly, and completely- to the point you, yourself, would say "well, serves that lying rascal right"...

in that sense, we are screwed... an old somali proverb:

Lie to a liar, for that is his trade
steal from a thief, as that is his honor
but always beware of an honest man.


honesty stands alone and has no margin for suffering foolishness.. politicians with a lack of integrity won't enter any type of contract with honesty- as by it's very nature it eliminates the fringe margin they require to serve themselves... whether you or others have ever realized it or not: when you lie to someone, or someone lies to you, and you accept it, you have entered a contract.. you gave margin for them to lie to you, or you to them, and the agreement will ultimately collapse to where someone gets screwed hard core... and then the person who gets screwed screams and points a finger at the other indicating their guilt, and at the same time denying their culpability- it's of humor to me to watch this, because damn near every single transaction/agreement I've entered where I got the shaft in my life was a product of me KNOWING I was being lied to, but wanting the service/product/asset so bad, that I accepted it...

for you young guys- here is a piece of advise I was gifted years ago that has served me extremely well in my life:

"if it takes more than one breath to explain something, there is a fair amount of bull snot present, and if you KNOW someone is lying to you, no matter how trivial, walk away- or you WILL get screwed.."

<- that is accepting personal responsibility... plain and simple.. bad crap happens to us, and we attempt to play victim as if we had no role.. it is rare (but it does happen) that we don't play a role in our own fate, but we're quick to blame the other because it didn't work out in our favor.. In politics, that is precisely what Americans, as a whole, have done.. and now, it's time to accept our fate- or leave.
my good sir.

It's my view that the USA has become a people of entitlements. Period.

The real American Dream, no not owning a home, is being destroyed. It's imperative to return on being Consitutionists....



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But we can find better people to run for office, but they are usually a 3rd party candidate, and they never have a chance to compete with the big money of the Democrats and Republicans, which is why we'll never have a president who isn't either on the Republican ticket or the Democratic Ticket.

Bipartisan politics, that I know of, has never been so extreme. I'm sure some more veteran people are may cite others historical references. Having said that though let's consider the voter turnout of the USA as part of the picking process --

Using some online sources for this observation an keeping in mind that the technology/internet/phones/email/etc. is very much prevalent, including public access:

Approximate population -- 311,591,917 ~311 million.

Let's knock off 100 million for ineligible voters (age, registration, etc.), there is no factual basis for this on my part.

Complete votes reported by this site = 123,957,393 or ~124 million

Is that an acceptable voter turnout?
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 11:14 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/states-most-si...-politics.html

"Six of the seven states that amassed more than 25,000 signatures on their petitions to form independent nations in the past week took more than $10 million in revenue from the federal government that year."

"The seven states - Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and North Carolina - took more than 23 percent of all federal revenue allotted to the states that year."

So those states want to part ways from the U.S. and form their own government, but are so reliant on the Federal Government?

WhiteNuckle, no, that's not an acceptable voter turnout.
 

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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 11:39 AM
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Obama claims he, "has a mandate".

I seem to remember someone else who said that after an election. It was 2004....


Let's see:
Candidate............Popular vote..........Percentage
Barack Obama.....62,610,717.............51%
Mitt Romney.........59,136,717.............48% (such a thin margin one couldn't slip a dime between the percentages)

Candidate............Popular vote..........Percentage
Barack Obama..... 69,498,516.............52.93%
John McCain.........59,948,323.............45.65%

Numbers don't lie. Obama received fewer votes in 2012 than 2008.

GOP has 223 House Seats vs Dems 195 (218 balance)
GOP has 45 Senate Seats vs Dems 53 (50 balance)

Talk about delusional. Then again, petulant narcissists usually are.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by stewie01
http://news.yahoo.com/states-most-si...-politics.html

"Six of the seven states that amassed more than 25,000 signatures on their petitions to form independent nations in the past week took more than $10 million in revenue from the federal government that year."

"The seven states - Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and North Carolina - took more than 23 percent of all federal revenue allotted to the states that year."

So those states want to part ways from the U.S. and form their own government, but are so reliant on the Federal Government?

WhiteNuckle, no, that's not an acceptable voter turnout.
my man, you're not presenting good argument..

the texas gov called the feds out on this several years ago, when they were requesting 10m to balance the state budget.. Obama used it as a talking point to texas's discussion of suceeding- saying (paraphrased) :

"we had to give you 10m just to balance your budget, and you thinnk you can make it alone?"

tex gov responded (paraphrased) "you took over 100B from texas residents in federal taxes, and complain about a 10m request? you take it without explanation or accountability, yet demand we line item the request back to you? If we didn't send a penny to washington, we would be the wealthiest country in the world, and not, instead, part of a country falling faster than a lead zeppelin."
 
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