The Official 2014 2nd Gen RAM Forum OT thread
I graduated high school in 1979...... went into the service... THEN went in to college.... for about eight years..... Ugh. Too bad I didn't pick a better major..... something that I could actually get a JOB in. (math/geology major here.... I didn't want to travel for work though....)
math opens alot of doors...insurance companies, statistical think tanks, Google!!
Geology....dude...oil, mining!!

Worked as an automotive tech for many years. That was fun, but, I got older..... moved to the service desk. That was easier, and I was good at it. Hours sucked though. (14 a day including drive time.) Wasted my back working in my own garage..... and got fired...... time for a new line of work.
I made pretty good money in the computer field. More importantly, I worked on small, clean, LIGHT stuff, that NEVER saw a michigan winter. Didn't need a degree back then, experience actually counted for something. These days, you need a farking degree to work flippin' burgers......
I found math terribly boring. (especially accounting.....) doing that every day and I would soon become just a statistic. Oil industry? That's travel. Gotta go where the oil might be...... I like to live in my home, not visit it once in a while. That left out driving truck too. 
Worked as an automotive tech for many years. That was fun, but, I got older..... moved to the service desk. That was easier, and I was good at it. Hours sucked though. (14 a day including drive time.) Wasted my back working in my own garage..... and got fired...... time for a new line of work.
I made pretty good money in the computer field. More importantly, I worked on small, clean, LIGHT stuff, that NEVER saw a michigan winter. Didn't need a degree back then, experience actually counted for something. These days, you need a farking degree to work flippin' burgers......

Worked as an automotive tech for many years. That was fun, but, I got older..... moved to the service desk. That was easier, and I was good at it. Hours sucked though. (14 a day including drive time.) Wasted my back working in my own garage..... and got fired...... time for a new line of work.
I made pretty good money in the computer field. More importantly, I worked on small, clean, LIGHT stuff, that NEVER saw a michigan winter. Didn't need a degree back then, experience actually counted for something. These days, you need a farking degree to work flippin' burgers......
I've always enjoyed my accounting courses. Had my parents not been the dipshiats they were I would have probably pursued an Accounting degree and then a JD after I got out of the Navy.
csb:
My Accounting II instructor grew up in Siberia. Professor Olga. She's sharp as a whip and a true capitalist at heart.
"KESH! I LUFF KESH!!"
/csb
I graduated in 1971 then went to vocational school for mechanical drafting and machine design for two more years. {so I am an engineer} I graduated in the top 5 of my class. That wasn't real hard to do because there were only around 15 of us in the class.
My associates degree has been downgraded to just two college credits some how. The diploma still says I hold an associates degree,... makes ya wonder.
So,when I graduated I had an associates degree in mechanical drafting and machine design, couldn't get a job in the field. That was just about the time the Vietnam war was winding down and all the big defense outfits were laying folks with 20 or more years in the field off so they were taking the entry level jobs {even at less than half the wages} as fast as they could apply.
The market was flooded. When I went into school people with my skills were needed desperately. By graduation,... not so much.
Having the associates degree actually held me back from getting some general labor jobs that paid fairly well. Prospective employers figured since I had the education, Iwould leave at the first chance of getting a better paying job. They did not realize that it wouldn't have mattered what the job was, if I had a chance at improving myself financially, I would have at the drop of a hat. Anyone would.
I did get a few jobs because I could read blueprints {if you can make a blueprint you should be able to read one} and could competently use micrometers and other precision measuring devices. I got one job as a machine tool operator and later another job as a machinist because I could read the print and actually make the parts to spec.
As it turned out when I would get a job, no matter what it was, I was very loyal and usually had near perfect attendance, unlike many of my co-workers. That made no difference when it came around to layoff time though. Guys with more seniority got to stay even if all they was take up space when they did show up for work.
I know most of you have worked places that have folks senior to you that really don't know how to do the job, and don't care to learn but they get to stay even though you are better. {Many times the worst are in management}
My associates degree has been downgraded to just two college credits some how. The diploma still says I hold an associates degree,... makes ya wonder.
So,when I graduated I had an associates degree in mechanical drafting and machine design, couldn't get a job in the field. That was just about the time the Vietnam war was winding down and all the big defense outfits were laying folks with 20 or more years in the field off so they were taking the entry level jobs {even at less than half the wages} as fast as they could apply.
The market was flooded. When I went into school people with my skills were needed desperately. By graduation,... not so much.
Having the associates degree actually held me back from getting some general labor jobs that paid fairly well. Prospective employers figured since I had the education, Iwould leave at the first chance of getting a better paying job. They did not realize that it wouldn't have mattered what the job was, if I had a chance at improving myself financially, I would have at the drop of a hat. Anyone would.
I did get a few jobs because I could read blueprints {if you can make a blueprint you should be able to read one} and could competently use micrometers and other precision measuring devices. I got one job as a machine tool operator and later another job as a machinist because I could read the print and actually make the parts to spec.
As it turned out when I would get a job, no matter what it was, I was very loyal and usually had near perfect attendance, unlike many of my co-workers. That made no difference when it came around to layoff time though. Guys with more seniority got to stay even if all they was take up space when they did show up for work.
I know most of you have worked places that have folks senior to you that really don't know how to do the job, and don't care to learn but they get to stay even though you are better. {Many times the worst are in management}
Last edited by tired old man; May 5, 2014 at 08:24 PM.
HeyYou,
I was suppose to graduate in 79 too but wasn't the best of a kid back then and got kicked out school. So I had a afterschool job and lucked out that my boss put me on full time when I was out of school. That was in 76 and I worked there for 2 years full time and then in 78 joined the Army. Planned on only doing 3 years, learn a little something and then get out. Well I spent the next 14 years on active duty. Then got out and joined the National Guard. I was a truck driver for a while and also worked at a couple Ford dealerships as a mechanic. Then I lucked out and got a job working for the state. Well then I got sent to Iraq and my whole world got turned upside down because I got shot. Now I am an overpaid bum who sits at home all the time and doesn't do anything.
I was suppose to graduate in 79 too but wasn't the best of a kid back then and got kicked out school. So I had a afterschool job and lucked out that my boss put me on full time when I was out of school. That was in 76 and I worked there for 2 years full time and then in 78 joined the Army. Planned on only doing 3 years, learn a little something and then get out. Well I spent the next 14 years on active duty. Then got out and joined the National Guard. I was a truck driver for a while and also worked at a couple Ford dealerships as a mechanic. Then I lucked out and got a job working for the state. Well then I got sent to Iraq and my whole world got turned upside down because I got shot. Now I am an overpaid bum who sits at home all the time and doesn't do anything.
hardware and O/S support, and general network plumber. 
I wasn't exactly what you would call a "good" kid either.
I graduated.... 364th out of a class of 365.
(all of my teachers uniformly complained "he doesn't work up to his potential".....) I aced the classes I liked, and maybe passed those that I didn't care for. My senior year, I had some classes at the school, and also did third shift Vo-Tech.... my counselor decided I needed another class, (which I didn't) and stuck me in accounting.... I was BORED. I carried a 98% test average, but, didn't do any of the homework, read books most of the time in class...... One day, on my way out of class, the teacher stopped me, and pointed out: "You know, if you don't do the homework, the best grade I can give you is a C....." My response? "That's cool."... WRONG ANSWER! LOL.
I don't see you as a "bum" though. You served your country, and paid a price for that service. As a wounded vet, this country OWES you more than they can ever repay. So far as I am concerned, we have seriously dropped the ball on how we treat our vets.

HeyYou,
I was suppose to graduate in 79 too but wasn't the best of a kid back then and got kicked out school. So I had a afterschool job and lucked out that my boss put me on full time when I was out of school. That was in 76 and I worked there for 2 years full time and then in 78 joined the Army. Planned on only doing 3 years, learn a little something and then get out. Well I spent the next 14 years on active duty. Then got out and joined the National Guard. I was a truck driver for a while and also worked at a couple Ford dealerships as a mechanic. Then I lucked out and got a job working for the state. Well then I got sent to Iraq and my whole world got turned upside down because I got shot. Now I am an overpaid bum who sits at home all the time and doesn't do anything.
I was suppose to graduate in 79 too but wasn't the best of a kid back then and got kicked out school. So I had a afterschool job and lucked out that my boss put me on full time when I was out of school. That was in 76 and I worked there for 2 years full time and then in 78 joined the Army. Planned on only doing 3 years, learn a little something and then get out. Well I spent the next 14 years on active duty. Then got out and joined the National Guard. I was a truck driver for a while and also worked at a couple Ford dealerships as a mechanic. Then I lucked out and got a job working for the state. Well then I got sent to Iraq and my whole world got turned upside down because I got shot. Now I am an overpaid bum who sits at home all the time and doesn't do anything.
I graduated.... 364th out of a class of 365.
(all of my teachers uniformly complained "he doesn't work up to his potential".....) I aced the classes I liked, and maybe passed those that I didn't care for. My senior year, I had some classes at the school, and also did third shift Vo-Tech.... my counselor decided I needed another class, (which I didn't) and stuck me in accounting.... I was BORED. I carried a 98% test average, but, didn't do any of the homework, read books most of the time in class...... One day, on my way out of class, the teacher stopped me, and pointed out: "You know, if you don't do the homework, the best grade I can give you is a C....." My response? "That's cool."... WRONG ANSWER! LOL.I don't see you as a "bum" though. You served your country, and paid a price for that service. As a wounded vet, this country OWES you more than they can ever repay. So far as I am concerned, we have seriously dropped the ball on how we treat our vets.













