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Old 01-03-2008 | 05:39 PM
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Ok I drove 335 miles last week and filled up the tank and it took 18.5 gallons But my question still stands the gauge shows empty and the gas light is on and there is still 15 plus gallons left in the tank and the tires are 275, 60 16
 
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Old 01-03-2008 | 05:43 PM
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Well screw the gas gauge and fill up every 600 miles, use your trip odometer
 
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Old 01-03-2008 | 05:54 PM
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I do use the trip meter but I’m sure that some time I’ll forget and let’s face it I want to be as lazy as a Ford driver I just want to have it fixed but the gauge or the sending unit,, help!
 
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Old 01-03-2008 | 06:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: padino

No seriously the worst mileage I got with the 96 4X4 2500 5.9 Cummins was 17.8 and that was with my foot in it.
I bought the truck used with 148K and I drive 150 miles round trip to work three days a week.
The math is 18x35 min = 630
that explains it
 
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Old 01-03-2008 | 07:40 PM
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easy guys its a cummins...
 
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Old 01-03-2008 | 07:42 PM
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now stupid question, when the light come on and its at empty. if u fill it back up how many gallons does it take?
 
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Old 01-03-2008 | 11:39 PM
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ok, here's my guess.
you probably have a fuel pump/sending unit for a 26 gal tank installed in your 35 gal tank. so as the vertical fuel level drops, you're reading is sort of accurate, but at the end, you have a lot more fuel left than i would in my 26 gal tank.

my low fuel light comes on at 1/8 tank, and if i fill up right then, i'll only get about 21 gal in, meaning that i still had about 5 gal. with the larger (longer) tank, you still have at least twice that much.
 
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Old 01-03-2008 | 11:52 PM
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yea guys a cummins can easily get that mileage, but i think that the only thing it can be is your sending unit, ive noticed that with some people vehichles that the guage can be way off but they go by the low fuel light, its like its a diff sensor to
 
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Old 01-04-2008 | 09:32 AM
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Okay Thanks dhvaughan when the weather get’s better I’ll change out the sending unit for a new one.
Got another question I want to put an auxiliary tank on the passenger side under the bed I want to convert to vegetable oil and don’t want to loose bed space any suggestions as to where I can get a 30 to 40 gallon tank that will fit?
 
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Old 01-04-2008 | 11:19 AM
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it is common for the Chrysler fuel level senders to go bad when 'poisoned' sulfur or a gas additive.

when I changed mine out a few thousand miles ago I found that the ceramic base behind the moveable resistor had cracked

here's some archived posts with more info on fixes:

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Fuel Sender Part #: 04797738, cost is reported to be in the neighborhood of
$40. Expansion and contraction of the plastic tank can wear the pivot screw
slot that allows up/down motion. If the screws were to stick at the upper
portion of the slot, this effectively changes the pivot point elevation of the
sending unit float, causing low fuel readings with half a tank of fuel. After
repeated failures, some have begun experimenting to find a better fix. the
'sliding mechanism' that allows the pickup point to stay at the bottom of the
fuel tank Here is one posted to the TurboDiesel mail list:

Subject: my fuel sending unit repair kit

Some time ago I posted my fix for the inadequately built fuel-sending unit for
our Dodge Rams. I have assembled an instruction sheet and the parts I used to
fix this. I am curious how many readers would like to obtain these kits. I can
send you one for $3.00 postage and handling along with a self-addressed
envelope. Just let me know and I will let you know where to send your request.
Send email request to mudbone66@hotmail.com

Here is my suggested fix again if someone missed it.

Out of all the posts that I have read regarding the fuel tank-sending unit I
was wondering if anyone has taken a look at its design. Mine went out and I
replaced it myself, was not too hard to do. After I replaced it with an
identically designed item I took the old one and found out what contributes to
the failure of this part. I will try to explain it and a possible fix. The
plastic pivot arm is held in place on the metal stem by a plastic tab on the
rear edge that wears on the main body of the unit. This wear allows the
contacts on the arm to leave the contact on the resistor that sends the signal
to the gauge. Result is the fuel gauge no longer works.

Either the fuel tank must be removed or the bed of the truck needs to be moved
back for access to the fuel tank module. The fuel lines are removed by
pressing on the tabs of the connector while gently pulling on the fuel line.
Both lines are removed this way. The connector stays on the line going into
the module. They are different sizes so when you reinstall them they can not
be crossed up. The electrical connector is removed by using a small
screwdriver prying sideways and removing the red clip that locks it in place.
On the front of the connector, the module side, there is a tab that needs to
be pressed down to unlock the connector and then it is removed by pulling on
the connector not the wires towards the frame. Remove the rubber hoses that go
to the fuel filler neck and slide them up on the filler neck tube to get them
out of the way. There are two nuts holding the fuel tank straps, remove these
while supporting the tank with a floor jack or anything suitable. Slowly lower
the tank and pull it from under the truck. The module can be removed by gently
tapping on the ears of the retaining nut, with a hammer and punch, in a
counterclockwise direction, making note of its position for reinstallation.
Take care not to damage the rubber seal under the nut as in can be reused.

I noticed on the module, there are three screws that were showing some wear on
the slots that attach the lower part to the upper part. I used three washers
that would fit the shoulder of the screw to reattach the lower part to the
upper part so it would not slide. I measured the nearly empty tank where the
module is installed up to the neck where the retaining nut is including the
rubber gasket and made the module the same length. My measurement was 14
5/16". I could not figure out why this needs to move up and down. In fact this
caused a hole to be chaffed on the return line in the center of the module.
Thank goodness it was not the pick-up line I would have had to replace the
whole module $400 I think. With an empty tank the module will be touching the
bottom of the tank but when the tank is full it will be pulled away with the
weight of the fuel.

Now for the suggested repair action.
The plastic pivot arm has a center stem that extends above the outer body
about 1/8". Remove the pivot arm by carefully prying between the main body and
the rear part of the pivot arm where the tab is. Trim the top of the center
stem of the pivot arm level with the outer body, with a sharp razor, taking
care not to break it. While the arm is off you may want to gently bend the
contacts out away from the arm as to allow for better contact with the
resistor. Reinstall the pivot arm by carefully pressing it back on the metal
stem make sure the holding tab is behind the tapered edge of the main body
where it is held on. Place a Teflon washer on the metal stem with a P-nut, one
of those push on washers that lock when installed. Make sure you push the
P-nut down far enough to prevent the contacts from loosing its contact to the
resistor, taking care not to allow the pivot arm to bind, you can use a small
socket to do this. This will allow the weight of the float to be placed on the
Teflon washer and P-nut instead of the tab on the rear part of the pivot arm.
The metal stem diameter measures 3/32". The float arm can be easily removed
from the pivot arm by pulling it away from the arm on the contact end and out
over the center stem, then when done reinstall after you are done.

I would like to mention C. J. Johansson, which his suggestion was to
manufacture a new pin and machine, threads on the top and use two nuts to lock
the pivot arm down on the resistor. His pictures are very clear and show the
center part of the pivot arm that I trim off.

Install the tank in the reverse order you removed it. Making sure the
module-retaining nut is positioned in the same place it was removed from. Fill
her up and check for leaks!

This should be a better fix than replacing a $42 dollar part each time your
gauge quits.

Huey L. Conway, Jr.

From: Don Broadhead: Don.Broadhead@usa.alcatel.com
You really can fix it for about one dime!! I just did it and it works so far.
The hardest thing is removing and replacing the tank. Did it alone.
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I changed out a fuel assembly on a 1995 about 2 weeks ago.

You don't have to drop the tank.
I took the advice of other Ram owners
and jacked up the cargo box
to get access to the fuel assembly from the top instead.

This turned out much easier than I thought it would.
I did not even need help.

You first take out the three torx head bolts
that hold the gas filler cap box to the cargo box side.

Then I loosened the 3 bolts on the passenger side of the pickup bed
(called a 'cargo box' in Dodge field service manual speak)
and next I removed the three bolts on the driver's side.

I jacked up the bed by placing a scissors jack between
the cargo box and rail just above where the wheel sits.
You need to raise the cargo box about 45 degrees
to get enough 'head room' to get the fuel assembly out.

Put jackstands in between frame and cargo box to safely support it.

I also removed the 65 lb tailgate to make things lighter
but I now believe that was not necessary.

You may want to remove the stuff around the license plate to keep from
scratching the cargo box paint if the bumper sits too close. Also pay
attention to the spare tire lowering socket.

It is easy to bend that float arm when you pull the fuel assembly out
or when you put it back in...because the float arm is hidden in the back
and just barely clears the round hole.

Gently hitting the ***** on the big plastic nut
with a long screwdriver and will remove it.

When full the tank sender should read 20 ohms plus/minus 6 ohms.

When empty the tank sender should read 220 ohms plus/minus 6 ohms

If you get corrosion on the electrical plugs the tank sender will read more
than 26 ohms when full and your needle on the fuel gauge won't go as much past
'Full' as when the vehicle was new.

It is easy to break the little grey locking tab on the front electrical plug
and there is also a red locking tag toward the rear that has to be gently
pushed over to free the electrical plug to come out.

I also found that my float's resistor at the end of the arm
(tank sender) had a crack in it...that might also be causing your problem.

If you are having to replace the fuel assembly
that 'roll over valve' fitting inside its rubber bushing
is a real pain in the ..... to get out!

To get it out gently without breaking it
I ended up using a dremel tool to split the plastic
on three sides around it so that I could 'peel' the plastic
back and free the roll over valve without damage to re-use.
Most replacement fuel assemblies come without a new roll over valve.

If you are changing the fuel assembly
carefully remove, clean, and save the little plastic
locking tab on the fuel line too.
The new fuel assembly won't have a new one.

 


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