Kegger mod
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From: Jax Fl.
RE: Kegger mod
ORIGINAL: IndyRamMan
yep. the m1 is very agressive for a stock motor though, even a little too agressive for me.
ORIGINAL: HankL
MPI manifold without any plenum plate/gasket/bolts
seems a better way to go
for higher rpm power gains
http://www.steigerperformance.com/benefits/
MPI manifold without any plenum plate/gasket/bolts
seems a better way to go
for higher rpm power gains
http://www.steigerperformance.com/benefits/
Champion
Joined: Nov 2006
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RE: Kegger mod
ORIGINAL: greenmachine
Indy you and I have had this conversation before about the M1. If you dont do some work you lose your bottom. No thanks until its a 409
ORIGINAL: IndyRamMan
yep. the m1 is very agressive for a stock motor though, even a little too agressive for me.
ORIGINAL: HankL
MPI manifold without any plenum plate/gasket/bolts
seems a better way to go
for higher rpm power gains
http://www.steigerperformance.com/benefits/
MPI manifold without any plenum plate/gasket/bolts
seems a better way to go
for higher rpm power gains
http://www.steigerperformance.com/benefits/
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Joined: Nov 2004
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From: Colorado
RE: Kegger mod
Below are a couple quotes from a very well know and respected Mopar performance engine builder in some recent email discussions I had with him on the topic of M1's. No offense to anyone on this forum, be he knows so much more about this then any of you, I tend to beleive him over anyone else. I've had lots of discussions with him on this topic, and others, and I find his information to be dead on with real life (versus stuff you hear on the forums). I'll be getting an M1 later this year, just to many other mods in the works right now to take care of first (gears for example). I do plan to mod my kegger anyway (while i'm fixing my plenum), but that is more for experimentation then anything else. I need to fix the plenum for now until it it time to do the M1, so modding the kegger will allow me to test for myself what you read about on these forums.
"What you hear online is - Oh, your going to lose your low end torque and other crap. Those are the clowns you want to race. With proper converter, gearing, engine mods, this M1 comes together well."
"The misconception is that you are losing low end. It's all over the net and I like to race those types. They concentrate on first gear and i pass them as soon as they shift because they have no clue how to properly utilize the additional HP. You are creating more HP like the old days, but the HP is spread across the entire powerband and goes up higher then you can reach in today's PCM equipped engines. The way to bring this power back down is to gear the truck accordingly."
"What you hear online is - Oh, your going to lose your low end torque and other crap. Those are the clowns you want to race. With proper converter, gearing, engine mods, this M1 comes together well."
"The misconception is that you are losing low end. It's all over the net and I like to race those types. They concentrate on first gear and i pass them as soon as they shift because they have no clue how to properly utilize the additional HP. You are creating more HP like the old days, but the HP is spread across the entire powerband and goes up higher then you can reach in today's PCM equipped engines. The way to bring this power back down is to gear the truck accordingly."
Record Breaker
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: PA
RE: Kegger mod
ORIGINAL: Silver_Dodge
Below are a couple quotes from a very well know and respected Mopar performance engine builder in some recent email discussions I had with him on the topic of M1's. No offense to anyone on this forum, be he knows so much more about this then any of you, I tend to beleive him over anyone else. I've had lots of discussions with him on this topic, and others, and I find his information to be dead on with real life (versus stuff you hear on the forums). I'll be getting an M1 later this year, just to many other mods in the works right now to take care of first (gears for example). I do plan to mod my kegger anyway (while i'm fixing my plenum), but that is more for experimentation then anything else. I need to fix the plenum for now until it it time to do the M1, so modding the kegger will allow me to test for myself what you read about on these forums.
"What you hear online is - Oh, your going to lose your low end torque and other crap. Those are the clowns you want to race. With proper converter, gearing, engine mods, this M1 comes together well."
"The misconception is that you are losing low end. It's all over the net and I like to race those types. They concentrate on first gear and i pass them as soon as they shift because they have no clue how to properly utilize the additional HP. You are creating more HP like the old days, but the HP is spread across the entire powerband and goes up higher then you can reach in today's PCM equipped engines. The way to bring this power back down is to gear the truck accordingly."
Below are a couple quotes from a very well know and respected Mopar performance engine builder in some recent email discussions I had with him on the topic of M1's. No offense to anyone on this forum, be he knows so much more about this then any of you, I tend to beleive him over anyone else. I've had lots of discussions with him on this topic, and others, and I find his information to be dead on with real life (versus stuff you hear on the forums). I'll be getting an M1 later this year, just to many other mods in the works right now to take care of first (gears for example). I do plan to mod my kegger anyway (while i'm fixing my plenum), but that is more for experimentation then anything else. I need to fix the plenum for now until it it time to do the M1, so modding the kegger will allow me to test for myself what you read about on these forums.
"What you hear online is - Oh, your going to lose your low end torque and other crap. Those are the clowns you want to race. With proper converter, gearing, engine mods, this M1 comes together well."
"The misconception is that you are losing low end. It's all over the net and I like to race those types. They concentrate on first gear and i pass them as soon as they shift because they have no clue how to properly utilize the additional HP. You are creating more HP like the old days, but the HP is spread across the entire powerband and goes up higher then you can reach in today's PCM equipped engines. The way to bring this power back down is to gear the truck accordingly."
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Joined: Nov 2006
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From:
RE: Kegger mod
ORIGINAL: Silver_Dodge
Below are a couple quotes from a very well know and respected Mopar performance engine builder in some recent email discussions I had with him on the topic of M1's. No offense to anyone on this forum, be he knows so much more about this then any of you, I tend to beleive him over anyone else. I've had lots of discussions with him on this topic, and others, and I find his information to be dead on with real life (versus stuff you hear on the forums). I'll be getting an M1 later this year, just to many other mods in the works right now to take care of first (gears for example). I do plan to mod my kegger anyway (while i'm fixing my plenum), but that is more for experimentation then anything else. I need to fix the plenum for now until it it time to do the M1, so modding the kegger will allow me to test for myself what you read about on these forums.
"What you hear online is - Oh, your going to lose your low end torque and other crap. Those are the clowns you want to race. With proper converter, gearing, engine mods, this M1 comes together well."
"The misconception is that you are losing low end. It's all over the net and I like to race those types. They concentrate on first gear and i pass them as soon as they shift because they have no clue how to properly utilize the additional HP. You are creating more HP like the old days, but the HP is spread across the entire powerband and goes up higher then you can reach in today's PCM equipped engines. The way to bring this power back down is to gear the truck accordingly."
Below are a couple quotes from a very well know and respected Mopar performance engine builder in some recent email discussions I had with him on the topic of M1's. No offense to anyone on this forum, be he knows so much more about this then any of you, I tend to beleive him over anyone else. I've had lots of discussions with him on this topic, and others, and I find his information to be dead on with real life (versus stuff you hear on the forums). I'll be getting an M1 later this year, just to many other mods in the works right now to take care of first (gears for example). I do plan to mod my kegger anyway (while i'm fixing my plenum), but that is more for experimentation then anything else. I need to fix the plenum for now until it it time to do the M1, so modding the kegger will allow me to test for myself what you read about on these forums.
"What you hear online is - Oh, your going to lose your low end torque and other crap. Those are the clowns you want to race. With proper converter, gearing, engine mods, this M1 comes together well."
"The misconception is that you are losing low end. It's all over the net and I like to race those types. They concentrate on first gear and i pass them as soon as they shift because they have no clue how to properly utilize the additional HP. You are creating more HP like the old days, but the HP is spread across the entire powerband and goes up higher then you can reach in today's PCM equipped engines. The way to bring this power back down is to gear the truck accordingly."
RE: Kegger mod
I was hoping to find said engine builders article on the internet, and either it wasn't Hughes or KRC, or I missed something scouring thier sites.
I did find one comment in a write up from KRC about 408 strokers. The last sentence suggested that for horsepower use the M-1 intake, and for torque...which is needed in any vehicle over 3800 lbs...well, they didn't say.
Hughes does state that generally one must design a vehicle around a combination of parts from pulley to differential cover. Using a poor combination or mismatchof pieces will generally make things worse rather than better. In days of yore, mismatches were generally over carbing/over camming a motor and under gearing. Maybe it's not noticable today, but it was noticable back then. ...but I degress.
The fact is that the M-1 makes power. Where it makes that powercan be the downfall of a motor and drive train of mismatched pieces. So I agree with your builder, nothing flows better above 3 grand then an M-1. And if you have the proper cam, and torque improvers like a hi stall converter and propergears, you'll be fine.
What you will have to deal with is a ride that becomes a bit "touchy". I can't describe how that feels, but only that the fun factor seems to slowlyfade.You'll have to experience that yourself and decide if those occasional and rare bursts of WOT are worth it.
I'd really like to see more guys dig into thier factorykegger and and pull out some more mid range torque and hp for street use. There's plenty to be gained by modding what the factory gave you.
I did find one comment in a write up from KRC about 408 strokers. The last sentence suggested that for horsepower use the M-1 intake, and for torque...which is needed in any vehicle over 3800 lbs...well, they didn't say.
Hughes does state that generally one must design a vehicle around a combination of parts from pulley to differential cover. Using a poor combination or mismatchof pieces will generally make things worse rather than better. In days of yore, mismatches were generally over carbing/over camming a motor and under gearing. Maybe it's not noticable today, but it was noticable back then. ...but I degress.
The fact is that the M-1 makes power. Where it makes that powercan be the downfall of a motor and drive train of mismatched pieces. So I agree with your builder, nothing flows better above 3 grand then an M-1. And if you have the proper cam, and torque improvers like a hi stall converter and propergears, you'll be fine.
What you will have to deal with is a ride that becomes a bit "touchy". I can't describe how that feels, but only that the fun factor seems to slowlyfade.You'll have to experience that yourself and decide if those occasional and rare bursts of WOT are worth it.
I'd really like to see more guys dig into thier factorykegger and and pull out some more mid range torque and hp for street use. There's plenty to be gained by modding what the factory gave you.
Record Breaker
Joined: Aug 2007
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From: TN
RE: Kegger mod
I was looking at getting a different manifold, too. I wanted to save up and fix the plenum, get the Fastman, and do the manifold, then get me a Hypertech. With that being said, is the M1 the only one that takes away the need for the plenum plate? I definitely don't have the tools to go modding the kegger, nor do I want to pay someone to do it. I really don't HAVE to do either I guess. I really just want the truck to perform where it should have from the factory. I have no desire to race or do off-roading, etc. I just want the truck to drive well and have the hp/tq to easily pull a boat or a couple quads... Is there even a need for a new manifold in this sense??? Also, this is off topic, but if I buy the kit to fix the plenum is it going to last for the life of the truck?
Thanks guys (don't mean to thread jack here)
Thanks guys (don't mean to thread jack here)