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ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
lol I don't want to argue with you either. I don't know why you picked on what I said with exhaust and tires though. If you have a truck with normal sized tires, you are just going to see more gains than if you have 35" tires like me.
lol I don't want to argue with you either. I don't know why you picked on what I said with exhaust and tires though. If you have a truck with normal sized tires, you are just going to see more gains than if you have 35" tires like me.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
For the true dual, what I'm saying is most of us have 4x4 trucks here. An we all are looking for torque, because that's the best you can really hope for with trucks like these. A true dual does take away torque. I'm not referancing backpressure at all. What I'm referancing is that the bigger the pipes and more air leaving, then you will loose torque. It's happened to me before with my neon. I had an oversized throttle body, and an oversized downpipe, killed the cars performance. I got rid of the downpipe and put the regular size piping back on, and then got a smaller throttle body, and boom, right back to where she was.
For the true dual, what I'm saying is most of us have 4x4 trucks here. An we all are looking for torque, because that's the best you can really hope for with trucks like these. A true dual does take away torque. I'm not referancing backpressure at all. What I'm referancing is that the bigger the pipes and more air leaving, then you will loose torque. It's happened to me before with my neon. I had an oversized throttle body, and an oversized downpipe, killed the cars performance. I got rid of the downpipe and put the regular size piping back on, and then got a smaller throttle body, and boom, right back to where she was.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
Obviusly once he gets his truck back with the camshaft and headers in, then he will no longer have lost troque with that true dual because that enigne will need it now.
Obviusly once he gets his truck back with the camshaft and headers in, then he will no longer have lost troque with that true dual because that enigne will need it now.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
I guess what I need to ask is do you believe that a truck with just an intake and perhaps a fastman (and this is pushing it) with a true dual will have more torque than a truck with the same intake and fastman and a single inlet/dual outlet.
I guess what I need to ask is do you believe that a truck with just an intake and perhaps a fastman (and this is pushing it) with a true dual will have more torque than a truck with the same intake and fastman and a single inlet/dual outlet.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
I know what you are saying about the true dual. Overall they help across powerbands, but you do loose torque if you don't have your work put into the truck to compensate.
I know what you are saying about the true dual. Overall they help across powerbands, but you do loose torque if you don't have your work put into the truck to compensate.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
It's what I'm going through right now, even with my si/do system, I lost torque because I have all that air dumping out and notihng being forced into the enigne.
It's what I'm going through right now, even with my si/do system, I lost torque because I have all that air dumping out and notihng being forced into the enigne.
YOU HAVE A SINGLE EXHAUST NOT DUAL
that defeats your point. Id leave that out next time.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
When I get the fastman and intake, Im confident I'll regain any stock torque I had before and then some.
When I get the fastman and intake, Im confident I'll regain any stock torque I had before and then some.
why are you so confident?
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
IF I ever decide to get a camshaft, then I will go for a true dual.
IF I ever decide to get a camshaft, then I will go for a true dual.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
To me, sure a true dual is nice, but do you NEED one?
To me, sure a true dual is nice, but do you NEED one?
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
No, not unless you get into a camshaft, that's generally the rule of thumb I've been tought.
No, not unless you get into a camshaft, that's generally the rule of thumb I've been tought.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
I believe there is a time and application for a true dual, trust me I do, but I think for most ppl asking abut exhaust on this forum, they are looking simply for sound and and to add a little more torque than what they already have.
I believe there is a time and application for a true dual, trust me I do, but I think for most ppl asking abut exhaust on this forum, they are looking simply for sound and and to add a little more torque than what they already have.
ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
Put a true dual on a relatively stock enigne, and gains will only be seen mid range and upperend, and maybe thats what they want, but from what I get, they want as much torque possible.
Put a true dual on a relatively stock enigne, and gains will only be seen mid range and upperend, and maybe thats what they want, but from what I get, they want as much torque possible.
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what is this mid and upper range nonsense? sounds like you've been reading too many magazines. you sound like a wannabe seasoned dynamometer operator.
hey guys im sorry for ANOTHER thread that was lead off topic... start another topic if you want to continue this silly argument.
hey guys im sorry for ANOTHER thread that was lead off topic... start another topic if you want to continue this silly argument.
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Indy I have got to hand it to you, that was a pretty sweet reponse set-up
. This is what I will say though. If you put a true dual on a stock truck, you will loose torque, period. If you put a catback system on a truck, you will gain a little bit of torque, and will not have to compromise anything. That's what my main point is, for people whos trucks arent modified past an intake, a true dual isn't necessary for them. They will be loosing torque. I think for somebody like me, a true dual is needed at this point. I never thought I was going to get headers when I put the system on, I was just looking for noise and looks. Now that my truck has longtube headers and plans for an intake and a throttle body, I do believe a true dual is coming my way. Only because my truck has stepped up in mods. IF I didn't plan to ever get headers, or an intake, then I think a si/do system is PERFECT for a pretty much stock vehicle. For me though, I think a true dual is necessary at this point, I just have a hard time admitting it because I don't have the money right now, and I really like the system now. I also would be sad if it became quiter. I know my truck is an offroad truck, so speed is second priority. I'd rather have a nice bark, so I will be sad if the true dual deatens any of the beautiful torque and sound note I'm getting now. I have a fedish for this 44, im afraid if i run a true dual with the 44s it wont sound as good. When my brother ran a true with the 44s, it wasnt potent at all, those mufflers together are too big. Anyways, I'm not saying I don't want to a true dual strictly for noise, but I already have a beautiful system right now. Also since the piping is oversized, it still would be smaller than a 2.25" true dual. I have a giant si/so system right now, all 3". SO it's not useless, its as useful as a si/so system can basically be. But yeah, later down the road once I'm finished with all mods and the current system is ready to be replaced, a true dual for me would be the right move. But for most people, you don't need a true dual, it'd just be silly.
. This is what I will say though. If you put a true dual on a stock truck, you will loose torque, period. If you put a catback system on a truck, you will gain a little bit of torque, and will not have to compromise anything. That's what my main point is, for people whos trucks arent modified past an intake, a true dual isn't necessary for them. They will be loosing torque. I think for somebody like me, a true dual is needed at this point. I never thought I was going to get headers when I put the system on, I was just looking for noise and looks. Now that my truck has longtube headers and plans for an intake and a throttle body, I do believe a true dual is coming my way. Only because my truck has stepped up in mods. IF I didn't plan to ever get headers, or an intake, then I think a si/do system is PERFECT for a pretty much stock vehicle. For me though, I think a true dual is necessary at this point, I just have a hard time admitting it because I don't have the money right now, and I really like the system now. I also would be sad if it became quiter. I know my truck is an offroad truck, so speed is second priority. I'd rather have a nice bark, so I will be sad if the true dual deatens any of the beautiful torque and sound note I'm getting now. I have a fedish for this 44, im afraid if i run a true dual with the 44s it wont sound as good. When my brother ran a true with the 44s, it wasnt potent at all, those mufflers together are too big. Anyways, I'm not saying I don't want to a true dual strictly for noise, but I already have a beautiful system right now. Also since the piping is oversized, it still would be smaller than a 2.25" true dual. I have a giant si/so system right now, all 3". SO it's not useless, its as useful as a si/so system can basically be. But yeah, later down the road once I'm finished with all mods and the current system is ready to be replaced, a true dual for me would be the right move. But for most people, you don't need a true dual, it'd just be silly.
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ORIGINAL: zddp8868
what is this mid and upper range nonsense? sounds like you've been reading too many magazines. you sound like a wannabe seasoned dynamometer operator.
hey guys im sorry for ANOTHER thread that was lead off topic... start another topic if you want to continue this silly argument.
what is this mid and upper range nonsense? sounds like you've been reading too many magazines. you sound like a wannabe seasoned dynamometer operator.
hey guys im sorry for ANOTHER thread that was lead off topic... start another topic if you want to continue this silly argument.
What I think is funny is if I told everyne on this forum that they should go with a true dual, EVEYBODY would bash me and say how true duals make you loose torque. I seriouslly have a feeling you get defnesive of what I just say and not listenting to what I'm saying. Ask anybody about exhaust, they will tell you that you don't need a true dual if you don't have a built up truck, that's simple and understood. YOU WILL LOOSE TORQUE if you put a true dual on a stock truck. Again, if I told everyone in this forum that the true dual was the way to go, EVERYONE would attack me and be like no idiot you are going to loose torque, you dont need a true dual!! blah blah blah etc etc. etc. I'm making a simple point, and its that you made a broad statement yourself and said you shouldnt wasteyour time with the si/do set-up and go straight for the true dual. That is equally as speculation as me. For people with just an intake and exhaust, a true dual is not needed, and you will, you will , you will loose torque that already exists. Also, I know a 4 cylinder cant run a true dual, but i was talking about air displacement leaving the engine. Same issue with a true dual, its too much air leaving for a relatively stock engine. Even my system isoversized at 3". Even the smallest true dual (2.25") is way bigger than my oversized 3" system. I'm not saying anything out of bounds here, I'm just refuting what you said, and what you said was go with a true dual no matter what. That is bad advice. Not every application needs a true dual..
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ORIGINAL: 01DodgeRam360
Indy I have got to hand it to you, that was a pretty sweet reponse set-up. This is what I will say though. If you put a true dual on a stock truck, you will loose torque, period. If you put a catback system on a truck, you will gain a little bit of torque, and will not have to compromise anything. That's what my main point is, for people whos trucks arent modified past an intake, a true dual isn't necessary for them. They will be loosing torque. I think for somebody like me, a true dual is needed at this point. I never thought I was going to get headers when I put the system on, I was just looking for noise and looks. Now that my truck has longtube headers and plans for an intake and a throttle body, I do believe a true dual is coming my way. Only because my truck has stepped up in mods. IF I didn't plan to ever get headers, or an intake, then I think a si/do system is PERFECT for a pretty much stock vehicle. For me though, I think a true dual is necessary at this point, I just have a hard time admitting it because I don't have the money right now, and I really like the system now. I also would be sad if it became quiter. I know my truck is an offroad truck, so speed is second priority. I'd rather have a nice bark, so I will be sad if the true dual deatens any of the beautiful torque and sound note I'm getting now. I have a fedish for this 44, im afraid if i run a true dual with the 44s it wont sound as good. When my brother ran a true with the 44s, it wasnt potent at all, those mufflers together are too big. Anyways, I'm not saying I don't want to a true dual strictly for noise, but I already have a beautiful system right now. Also since the piping is oversized, it still would be smaller than a 2.25" true dual. I have a giant si/so system right now, all 3". SO it's not useless, its as useful as a si/so system can basically be. But yeah, later down the road once I'm finished with all mods and the current system is ready to be replaced, a true dual for me would be the right move. But for most people, you don't need a true dual, it'd just be silly.
Indy I have got to hand it to you, that was a pretty sweet reponse set-up
. This is what I will say though. If you put a true dual on a stock truck, you will loose torque, period. If you put a catback system on a truck, you will gain a little bit of torque, and will not have to compromise anything. That's what my main point is, for people whos trucks arent modified past an intake, a true dual isn't necessary for them. They will be loosing torque. I think for somebody like me, a true dual is needed at this point. I never thought I was going to get headers when I put the system on, I was just looking for noise and looks. Now that my truck has longtube headers and plans for an intake and a throttle body, I do believe a true dual is coming my way. Only because my truck has stepped up in mods. IF I didn't plan to ever get headers, or an intake, then I think a si/do system is PERFECT for a pretty much stock vehicle. For me though, I think a true dual is necessary at this point, I just have a hard time admitting it because I don't have the money right now, and I really like the system now. I also would be sad if it became quiter. I know my truck is an offroad truck, so speed is second priority. I'd rather have a nice bark, so I will be sad if the true dual deatens any of the beautiful torque and sound note I'm getting now. I have a fedish for this 44, im afraid if i run a true dual with the 44s it wont sound as good. When my brother ran a true with the 44s, it wasnt potent at all, those mufflers together are too big. Anyways, I'm not saying I don't want to a true dual strictly for noise, but I already have a beautiful system right now. Also since the piping is oversized, it still would be smaller than a 2.25" true dual. I have a giant si/so system right now, all 3". SO it's not useless, its as useful as a si/so system can basically be. But yeah, later down the road once I'm finished with all mods and the current system is ready to be replaced, a true dual for me would be the right move. But for most people, you don't need a true dual, it'd just be silly.
you'll learn sooner or later that you WERE WRONG when you were an inexperienced retard. for now, i won't be the one to teach you, i'll let you figure it out for yourself. your truck isn't anything but a stock truck with headers. stop kidding yourself by saying its all "HIGHLY MODDED" and all that nonsense.
PS. your truck will sound better with a dual exhaust setup with a crossover pipe. no more advice for you.
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Yep, you are right, I am so sorry! You haven't done anything different then I have either bud. You are just saying a true dual is better, and Im saying a si/do is better for stock vehicles. Go on ahead and go onto the forum and say anyone who is doing exhaust should do a true dual otherwise they are waisting their time, and then see who is the retard asswipe. You have not done anything different for your argument than I have, all you are being...is an *******, period. Lets see what you have for a truck, and then I'll know why your being such a ***got, your just jealous, simple. I never claimed my truck was heavily modified ****face, I said it's past the average modding stage that could finally qualify for needing a true dual. But for people with an intake, YOU DONT NEED A TRUE DUAL retard. So please, go on ahead and make a new thread on how you are right that all trucks getting new exhaust should be a true dual, and then see how they take care of you dumbass...
