*RANT* What R U willing 2 spend a week in gas?
RE: *RANT* What R U willing 2 spend a week in gas?
About the GW Bush thing. HE WAS on the board of major oil companies. He does have close relations directly with Saudi intrests ( I think Saudis are the worst of repressive regiems, yet we bend over for them). He has a lot to gain in high oil prices. YOU CANNOT TELL ME HIS RETIREMENT ISN'T BUILT AROUND OIL INTREST. My mom worked for TI, she has TI stock, gramps worked for IBM he has IBM stock,, so.... what klind of stock would a oil chairman have. Or what about daddy Bush and all the money he got from Carlise??
That was a horrible president. We should have seized control of Iraqi oil and kept it for ourselves. I mean screw it they will always hate us, so why not at least benefit from cheap oil.
Also I disagree with the person who said natiolizing oil would raise prices. Venuzeula pays $.15 a gallon. Socialism picks up where Capitalism fails. To acheive max profit you will have to step on some toes. The Medical industry and Insurance idustries are about maximizing profit, not helping people. Even though you would think they are to help people, their concern is profit. Oil is a different beast. We Need it but we allow compaines to make record profits. Why? because it is never illegal to maximize profits in a capitalist country.
Not saying I want Socialism, but I wouldn't mind living in the USSA either. I want Insurance, Oil and medical care to be included for all citizens. To be fair. I don't care how many millionaires this hurts, because the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.
That and its George Bush's fault for starting this war, and not stepping in to stop the high profits these companies are making.
That was a horrible president. We should have seized control of Iraqi oil and kept it for ourselves. I mean screw it they will always hate us, so why not at least benefit from cheap oil.
Also I disagree with the person who said natiolizing oil would raise prices. Venuzeula pays $.15 a gallon. Socialism picks up where Capitalism fails. To acheive max profit you will have to step on some toes. The Medical industry and Insurance idustries are about maximizing profit, not helping people. Even though you would think they are to help people, their concern is profit. Oil is a different beast. We Need it but we allow compaines to make record profits. Why? because it is never illegal to maximize profits in a capitalist country.
Not saying I want Socialism, but I wouldn't mind living in the USSA either. I want Insurance, Oil and medical care to be included for all citizens. To be fair. I don't care how many millionaires this hurts, because the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.
That and its George Bush's fault for starting this war, and not stepping in to stop the high profits these companies are making.
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RE: *RANT* What R U willing 2 spend a week in gas?
Dusty, I respect your opionion. As well as everyone elses... however, I have a pretty good grasp of commodities speculation. My point is that there is a small number of individuals/organizations that can push price trends in whichever direction favors their bottom line, because they can buy in such massive volumes. Ever heard of a pump and dump? How about Debeer's? Standard Oil? Market manipulation is far more common than the liberal OR conservative media will ever tell you. I am a bit of conspiracy theorist but history tells us that this type of thing has been going on for a looong time and to think it isn't happening today ... well anyways i'm off to put in a buy order for gold andpork bellies...
Anyways in response to the originial poster's question which i failed to address earlier, I'm spending around 50$/week in fuel, however my weekend camping and dirtbikingtrips in the mountainsoften run over $100 in fuel, but thats usually split at least 2 ways. Hard to say what my cut off will be. I need a truck, but buying a new compact or midsize would just cost me more overall than driving the dodge so until we're up around 7 or 8$/gallon I'll just keep driving it as needed as then the math might make sense to purchase something different. Personally I wouldn't mind a midsize pick up with a 4 cylinder turbo diesel motor like they sell everywhere else in the world except North America. I've driven a few nissan's and toyota's over in Africa and they had no problem achieving 35-50mpg. It mystifies me why the american manufacturers don't start utilizing turbo diesel technology more. I guess Jeep has started doing this a bit recently, but I see very few on the road. Perhaps it has something to do with diesel refining capacity and availability... who knows.
Anyways in response to the originial poster's question which i failed to address earlier, I'm spending around 50$/week in fuel, however my weekend camping and dirtbikingtrips in the mountainsoften run over $100 in fuel, but thats usually split at least 2 ways. Hard to say what my cut off will be. I need a truck, but buying a new compact or midsize would just cost me more overall than driving the dodge so until we're up around 7 or 8$/gallon I'll just keep driving it as needed as then the math might make sense to purchase something different. Personally I wouldn't mind a midsize pick up with a 4 cylinder turbo diesel motor like they sell everywhere else in the world except North America. I've driven a few nissan's and toyota's over in Africa and they had no problem achieving 35-50mpg. It mystifies me why the american manufacturers don't start utilizing turbo diesel technology more. I guess Jeep has started doing this a bit recently, but I see very few on the road. Perhaps it has something to do with diesel refining capacity and availability... who knows.
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About the GW Bush thing. HE WAS on the board of major oil companies. He does have close relations directly with Saudi intrests ( I think Saudis are the worst of repressive regiems, yet we bend over for them). He has a lot to gain in high oil prices. YOU CANNOT TELL ME HIS RETIREMENT ISN'T BUILT AROUND OIL INTREST. My mom worked for TI, she has TI stock, gramps worked for IBM he has IBM stock,, so.... what klind of stock would a oil chairman have. Or what about daddy Bush and all the money he got from Carlise??
That was a horrible president. We should have seized control of Iraqi oil and kept it for ourselves. I mean screw it they will always hate us, so why not at least benefit from cheap oil.
Also I disagree with the person who said natiolizing oil would raise prices. Venuzeula pays $.15 a gallon. Socialism picks up where Capitalism fails. To acheive max profit you will have to step on some toes. The Medical industry and Insurance idustries are about maximizing profit, not helping people. Even though you would think they are to help people, their concern is profit. Oil is a different beast. We Need it but we allow compaines to make record profits. Why? because it is never illegal to maximize profits in a capitalist country.
Not saying I want Socialism, but I wouldn't mind living in the USSA either. I want Insurance, Oil and medical care to be included for all citizens. To be fair. I don't care how many millionaires this hurts, because the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.
That and its George Bush's fault for starting this war, and not stepping in to stop the high profits these companies are making.
About the GW Bush thing. HE WAS on the board of major oil companies. He does have close relations directly with Saudi intrests ( I think Saudis are the worst of repressive regiems, yet we bend over for them). He has a lot to gain in high oil prices. YOU CANNOT TELL ME HIS RETIREMENT ISN'T BUILT AROUND OIL INTREST. My mom worked for TI, she has TI stock, gramps worked for IBM he has IBM stock,, so.... what klind of stock would a oil chairman have. Or what about daddy Bush and all the money he got from Carlise??
That was a horrible president. We should have seized control of Iraqi oil and kept it for ourselves. I mean screw it they will always hate us, so why not at least benefit from cheap oil.
Also I disagree with the person who said natiolizing oil would raise prices. Venuzeula pays $.15 a gallon. Socialism picks up where Capitalism fails. To acheive max profit you will have to step on some toes. The Medical industry and Insurance idustries are about maximizing profit, not helping people. Even though you would think they are to help people, their concern is profit. Oil is a different beast. We Need it but we allow compaines to make record profits. Why? because it is never illegal to maximize profits in a capitalist country.
Not saying I want Socialism, but I wouldn't mind living in the USSA either. I want Insurance, Oil and medical care to be included for all citizens. To be fair. I don't care how many millionaires this hurts, because the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.
That and its George Bush's fault for starting this war, and not stepping in to stop the high profits these companies are making.
And oil companies aren't making the profits. It's the speculators. The high oil reserves are actually hurting the oil companies. Once again, read the links I provided above.
Oh, and you are saying you want socialism. Why the hell should I pay for your insurance, gas, or retirement? And why should you pay for mine?
Wow, and you think Venezuela has a good government system? Do you pay attention to world events at all?
Arcticcatram, I do believe that the market is being manipulated somewhat, and I am indeed familiar with cartels such as Debeers. However, saying that it's the President's fault is bloody stupid.
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RE: *RANT* What R U willing 2 spend a week in gas?
I didn't read the whole thread... frankly I got a little bit bored. So I figured I would chime in with a tip...
Not sure how many of you know this... but if you spend an assload of money on gas, it might be worth it to get a costco membership and an American Express Business card through them (it's easy, you don't really have to have a business). You'll get 5% back on gas purchases from Costco, and 3% back on gas from other gas stations. Depending on the cost of gas in your area - you can saveanywhere from 4-5 bucks per fill. If you will up once a week - that's over 200 bucks a year. Free money.
You also get cash back on other purchase as well. Although the rate is pretty low (1-3%), it still puts money back in your pocket. I use my credit card for everything. Never carry more than 5 bucks. In the last 5 months, I managed to get back over 200 bucks using that card.
As for diesel costingmore... you get about twice the mileage out of a gallon of diesel. I say that the average diesel probably gets 20mpg and I'm getting 13.Even if it cost a buck more a gallon - it's still cheaper if you do the math.
I agree - the cost of gas sucks. I remember being a kid helping my mom fill her car. Gas was like 25 cents a gallon.
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Not sure how many of you know this... but if you spend an assload of money on gas, it might be worth it to get a costco membership and an American Express Business card through them (it's easy, you don't really have to have a business). You'll get 5% back on gas purchases from Costco, and 3% back on gas from other gas stations. Depending on the cost of gas in your area - you can saveanywhere from 4-5 bucks per fill. If you will up once a week - that's over 200 bucks a year. Free money.
You also get cash back on other purchase as well. Although the rate is pretty low (1-3%), it still puts money back in your pocket. I use my credit card for everything. Never carry more than 5 bucks. In the last 5 months, I managed to get back over 200 bucks using that card.
As for diesel costingmore... you get about twice the mileage out of a gallon of diesel. I say that the average diesel probably gets 20mpg and I'm getting 13.Even if it cost a buck more a gallon - it's still cheaper if you do the math.
I agree - the cost of gas sucks. I remember being a kid helping my mom fill her car. Gas was like 25 cents a gallon.
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RE: *RANT* What R U willing 2 spend a week in gas?
i heard this today on the news.
http://www.kimt.com/news/local/16762846.html
now the price of Soy is being driven up and now there closing those plants. this is crazy. I also heard today that the price of gas will probley reach 4 dollars by this summer. Onced again i am glad i dont have to pay for gas. Craziness
http://www.kimt.com/news/local/16762846.html
now the price of Soy is being driven up and now there closing those plants. this is crazy. I also heard today that the price of gas will probley reach 4 dollars by this summer. Onced again i am glad i dont have to pay for gas. Craziness
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ORIGINAL: dusty_duster
And oil companies aren't making the profits. It's the speculators.
And oil companies aren't making the profits. It's the speculators.
Exxon shatters profit records
Oil giant makes corporate history by booking $11.7 billion in quarterly profit; earns $1,300 a second in 2007.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news...xxon_earnings/
Sounds like their doing better than you and me.
Is a conspiracy theory still a theory if it turns out to be true?
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Huh?
Exxon shatters profit records
Oil giant makes corporate history by booking $11.7 billion in quarterly profit; earns $1,300 a second in 2007.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news...xxon_earnings/
Sounds like their doing better than you and me.
Is a conspiracy theory still a theory if it turns out to be true?
Huh?
Exxon shatters profit records
Oil giant makes corporate history by booking $11.7 billion in quarterly profit; earns $1,300 a second in 2007.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/01/news...xxon_earnings/
Sounds like their doing better than you and me.
Is a conspiracy theory still a theory if it turns out to be true?
Oooooh, they made record profits. So what? A lot of companies did. If a company didn't make profit, it wouldn't last long, now would it? You seem to be under the impression that the owners of E-M are making tons of money. You're right. But guess who owns Exxon-Mobil? It's not some small cabal of ludicrously rich people who swim around in pools of gold coins like Scrooge McDuck. No, ordinary people own Exxon-Mobil.
Mutual funds, pension funds, and retirement funds account for 52% of the ownership of Exxon-Mobil. The remaining 48% is individual people like you and me who own stock in them.
So, that $11.7 Billion quarterly profit went into funding my 401(k) and your pension.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/bu...mp;oref=slogin
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Ah yes the old gas price topic... Well if its any consolation I've been paying over $4 a gallon for a few years now here in Vancouver, BC. Currently we're sitting at $1.21 in the city, 1.10/Litre in the valley (10cent urban tax). 3.8Litres in a us gallon so that means I'm payin $4.60/gallon right now. Luckily my work is only 2miles from my house and I have a nice 2006 XR650R dirtbike that I made street legal and its costs $8 to fill and gets me about 100 miles. And to top it off our stupid provincial government has just passed a bill that will introduce a 'Carbon tax' of an additional 5 cents per litre! All this while the Oil companies make record profits. And why do our governments not regulate the price of gas?? BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING RICH TOO! They get a% in taxes of each unit (litre or gallon depending on where you live) of gas sold, so the higher the price of gas, the more tax they collect. This combined with the new politically correct attitude that we are changing the climate and therefore high gas prices are a means by which to slow 'climate change' is the root cause of this whole scam. I could write a book on thisbut I fear most of it would fall on deaf ears.
Climate change, globalterrorism, and the prospect that we have surpassed peak production are all BS excuses that are being capitalized on by governments and Oil companies to rob us of our livelihood. The free market is an illusion. The market is controlled entirely by a few organizations and individualsthat control the vast majority of the worlds currencies. They can easily manipulate the price of any commodity by simply buying it all up. Plenty ofreliable information on this out there if you look for it. Trust meI am not crazy.
BTW, it is well documented that there is enough PROVEN oil in the oilsands to sustain the current level of consumption in north america for 100 years, AT LEAST! However, I've seen the oil sands first hand (Ido satellite imagery analysis for a living) and the destruction required to get the oil of the ground is pretty disgusting. Personally I think the future does lie in renewable resources and alternative energies, but I don't think they should be putting the squeeze on oil prices until these alternative technologies are fully developed and available to the public at a reasonable price... otherwise the economy (america and the world's) will take a beating while a few richassholes get richer. K thats my rant... oh and for the record I live in Canada but I'm also an American citizen so I have a pretty good view from both sides of the border.
Ah yes the old gas price topic... Well if its any consolation I've been paying over $4 a gallon for a few years now here in Vancouver, BC. Currently we're sitting at $1.21 in the city, 1.10/Litre in the valley (10cent urban tax). 3.8Litres in a us gallon so that means I'm payin $4.60/gallon right now. Luckily my work is only 2miles from my house and I have a nice 2006 XR650R dirtbike that I made street legal and its costs $8 to fill and gets me about 100 miles. And to top it off our stupid provincial government has just passed a bill that will introduce a 'Carbon tax' of an additional 5 cents per litre! All this while the Oil companies make record profits. And why do our governments not regulate the price of gas?? BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING RICH TOO! They get a% in taxes of each unit (litre or gallon depending on where you live) of gas sold, so the higher the price of gas, the more tax they collect. This combined with the new politically correct attitude that we are changing the climate and therefore high gas prices are a means by which to slow 'climate change' is the root cause of this whole scam. I could write a book on thisbut I fear most of it would fall on deaf ears.
Climate change, globalterrorism, and the prospect that we have surpassed peak production are all BS excuses that are being capitalized on by governments and Oil companies to rob us of our livelihood. The free market is an illusion. The market is controlled entirely by a few organizations and individualsthat control the vast majority of the worlds currencies. They can easily manipulate the price of any commodity by simply buying it all up. Plenty ofreliable information on this out there if you look for it. Trust meI am not crazy.
BTW, it is well documented that there is enough PROVEN oil in the oilsands to sustain the current level of consumption in north america for 100 years, AT LEAST! However, I've seen the oil sands first hand (Ido satellite imagery analysis for a living) and the destruction required to get the oil of the ground is pretty disgusting. Personally I think the future does lie in renewable resources and alternative energies, but I don't think they should be putting the squeeze on oil prices until these alternative technologies are fully developed and available to the public at a reasonable price... otherwise the economy (america and the world's) will take a beating while a few richassholes get richer. K thats my rant... oh and for the record I live in Canada but I'm also an American citizen so I have a pretty good view from both sides of the border.
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Ah yes the old gas price topic... Well if its any consolation I've been paying over $4 a gallon for a few years now here in Vancouver, BC. Currently we're sitting at $1.21 in the city, 1.10/Litre in the valley (10cent urban tax). 3.8Litres in a us gallon so that means I'm payin $4.60/gallon right now. Luckily my work is only 2miles from my house and I have a nice 2006 XR650R dirtbike that I made street legal and its costs $8 to fill and gets me about 100 miles. And to top it off our stupid provincial government has just passed a bill that will introduce a 'Carbon tax' of an additional 5 cents per litre! All this while the Oil companies make record profits. And why do our governments not regulate the price of gas?? BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING RICH TOO! They get a% in taxes of each unit (litre or gallon depending on where you live) of gas sold, so the higher the price of gas, the more tax they collect. This combined with the new politically correct attitude that we are changing the climate and therefore high gas prices are a means by which to slow 'climate change' is the root cause of this whole scam. I could write a book on thisbut I fear most of it would fall on deaf ears.
Ah yes the old gas price topic... Well if its any consolation I've been paying over $4 a gallon for a few years now here in Vancouver, BC. Currently we're sitting at $1.21 in the city, 1.10/Litre in the valley (10cent urban tax). 3.8Litres in a us gallon so that means I'm payin $4.60/gallon right now. Luckily my work is only 2miles from my house and I have a nice 2006 XR650R dirtbike that I made street legal and its costs $8 to fill and gets me about 100 miles. And to top it off our stupid provincial government has just passed a bill that will introduce a 'Carbon tax' of an additional 5 cents per litre! All this while the Oil companies make record profits. And why do our governments not regulate the price of gas?? BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING RICH TOO! They get a% in taxes of each unit (litre or gallon depending on where you live) of gas sold, so the higher the price of gas, the more tax they collect. This combined with the new politically correct attitude that we are changing the climate and therefore high gas prices are a means by which to slow 'climate change' is the root cause of this whole scam. I could write a book on thisbut I fear most of it would fall on deaf ears.
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The free market is an illusion. The market is controlled entirely by a few organizations and individualsthat control the vast majority of the worlds currencies. They can easily manipulate the price of any commodity by simply buying it all up. Plenty ofreliable information on this out there if you look for it. Trust meI am not crazy.
The free market is an illusion. The market is controlled entirely by a few organizations and individualsthat control the vast majority of the worlds currencies. They can easily manipulate the price of any commodity by simply buying it all up. Plenty ofreliable information on this out there if you look for it. Trust meI am not crazy.
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