I think there is a reason why he is silent now. I think we may have hurt his silent truck life feelers... haha. Trucks are loud, get over it, and the more power you want from it, the louder its going to get, what do you think your going to get an equal amount of potential power out of that v10 while still making it sound like the interior of a luxury sedan. Not that you could get an equal amount of power out of it. Yeah, finally my head isnt hurting as much as people start to make sense again thank you to all the actual knowledgable people on the forum!

 

i couldnt agree more haha buy a car if you want quiet

 

Laugh......snort........chuckle........You guys almost made me spit my beer out.

I tell ya what.....you're in ATL, right?

I'm about an hour and a half away.

You bring your V10, I'll bring my CTD and you'll FIRMLY understand why people want a CTD over a V10.

Here, we can do this....

1 - We'll fill up a full tank of fuel and go until one of us runs out. Guarantee I'll still have enough fuel to drive home from ATL (twice) after you run out of gas.

2 - We'll hit the track at Commerce. I'll cross the line with aprox 4 - 5 seconds to spare.

3 - We'll put them on the dyno. You won't even put yours on after I strap it down.

4 - We'll put a 10K load behind them (gotta keep you within your limits). We'll hit an on-ramp and see who stays in the slow lane trying to pick up speed.

Bottom line.........Don't be confused by HP numbers. It's a make believe number based on TQ x RPM / 5252. If your peak Tq is at a higher RPM, your HP is higher.

The only people who think a diesel is slow are those that haven't owned one.

 

damn straight man hell we got a 92 cummins and still out tows trucks around the country side

 

The V10 came from the factory about 100 hp/75 ft lbs tq shy of what it should have been. It was very very de-tuned. 8.4-1 compression where the v8's were at 9.1-1 for the 5.2 and 8.9-1 for the 5.9, the cam profile was pathetic too but it still has over 400 ft lbs tq from 1000 rpm to 5000 rpms, that's broader and flatter then the diesel. The motor was not meant for boosted applications, it didn't need boost to get out of it's own way unlike the diesel which would have been a massive turd without that turbo hangin on the side. So of course the bottom end isn't meant to live at 800 hp levels stock, that's not to say it couldn't live at those levels if built properly. The reasons the diesel is so popular is because the after market support is there because of the turbo. It's easy for any goober who doesn't have a clue to get killer power out of it, as evident by half the dorks on this forum who don't have a clue how things work, but can un plug and plug in a bully dog to up the boost.
I had a 1986 glh turbo omni that I built up. Swapped out the 2.2 turbo I motor in favor of a 2.5 turbo II setup with the glhs inter cooler, super 60 turbo kit and a few additional injectors in the intake to safely run 26 psi of boost. It made over 320hp and 350 ft lbs of tq AT the front wheels and on a BONE STOCK long block. I guess this means that 2.5 is built much better then a cummins since it blasted out more power per liter then most street driven cummins do. It also had over 150k on the motor when i upped the turbo and boost on it and had over 200k on it when I sold it. I had about $3000 in that car and it ran low 12's at 115 mph in the 1/4 on radials it totally annihilated at will.
Of course take the turbo off and it would have been a turd. Boost makes anything fast and gives people this indestructible ego.
You guys that worship the diesel would worship a turbo'd V8 or V10 if the factory saw fit to have offered it, boost makes anything fast easily. You cannot compare a turbo to a naturally aspirated engine and especially a gas vs diesel, it's just not even close to apples to apples. They each have their place and both can be appreciated. the V10 has a very limited high perf market, but the potential is there for killer power. These diesels don't live when you turn them up to a certain power level, their reliability goes out the window at certain boost levels, then they need upgrades. You cannot tow these things at the 800 hp level and work them like is implied on these stupid gas bash/diesel braggin threads.
They will pop and they often do when pushed to the limits. I have picked up a few of the latest diesel mags and seen the dyno sessions. These diesel rigs are breaking at 450 rwhp, thats a far cry from "reliable 800 hp" that you can put 500,000 miles on. You diesel guys need a reality check, they are great engines, but not all most make them out to be. They cost more off the bat, take that up charge for the diesel and dump it in the V10 and you'd be makin insane power too. To the guys offering to to race etc their over boosted dieselrigs vs more then likely stock V10's, what big bad guys you are. how about you run some of these twin turbo vipers and srt10 rams out there? You wouldn't because you'd get your stupid butt handed to you and you'd have to come up with excuses as to why. It must take more to make these diesels fast then ya'll say, because my lowly 5.2 in my sport can hold most of the ones I run into around here that have big exhuast on them off. I love how a lot of the diesel guys try to do the ricer fly-bys too. they get back a ways and lay into it way before they are even next to their intended foe. had one try my mildly warmed up LT1 wagon this past weekend, but I saw him comin and held him off no problem and pulled out on him much to his dismay lol The dork wouldn't even pull up to me at the next redlight when he could have had his chance to try me from a dig, guess he didn't want any since I obviously had more then a stock V6.
Do we want to get into the cold weather problems a lot of diesels have? Thats why 90% of the V10's are in colder climates and you hardly see any down south. They will start up at 30 below where some diesels would leave you stranded. Don't get me wrong, I am truly impressed with the power the diesels can make, but lets not compare them to severely detuned from the factory stock gas engines. I saw a very stock lookin RCLB 2wd 2500 diesel on pass times recently that went 11.57 at 128 mph, had me totally amazed. I'm a drag racer, so that's how I compare vehicles, always have, always will. You take a stock truck with a V10 against a identical stock cummins rig of the same year and that v10 will hold it's own and you could probably trade wins back and forth between the two. I see the V10 bashed a lot around here and think it's really some sort of envy. The V8 guys bash it, the diesel guys bash it and neither truly understand it or know it's potential. I know a few months back when diesel was over $5 a gallon, didn't see too many of them on the roads or hear people braggin about them then. Its dipped back down and I guess the dweebs that have them can finally afford t odrive them till gas goes back up again, so time for some chest beatin.
I don't know about a truck pull or towin since I don't even have a bumper on the rear of my Ram sport, but any diesel guy who wants to try my V10 truck after it's on the road can crash at my house anytime, then we can hit the track and get it all on video. Of course my 10 won't be stock. We're all Dodge guys here, why fight?

 

i agree but disagree with some of your points. First off the cummins is a stout diesel engine designed for towing and having a load placed on it. The v10 is also made to work but at differnet levels. Diesels are designed to work. And a diesel engine will work harder than a gas motor and will last longer. A diesel motor will last longer also if it is working, this is because when you work a diesel motor it finally gets proper cumbustion temperatures. This helps keep the engine clean and run more efficent, we have a 92 cummins with 800000 kms on it and still runs like a dream, and it has worked all of its life. Now i dare you to do that with a gasoline engine, you will not get half of the life out of it. Now the v10 is a powerful motor as well but it has different uses, it is considerably faster in acceleration, but in my opinion when your buying a 3/4 ton or a 1 ton, why are you concerned with acceleration, shouldnt it be about service life dependability, reliability, and torque so you can make it up that grade. A diesel engine is much better than that of a gasoline engine. And the modern diesel engine will start and run great at cold temperatures im from saskatchewan and our temperatures range from 50 C to -50 C and diesels are always working so dont give me that excuse, also if the gasoline engine is far more superior why isnt it in heavy duty applications. This is because is isnt superior, the diesel engine lasts considerably longer than a gasoline engine. When people start moddifying them for speed and rediculous hp numbers all of this goes down its not reliable or used for work, why do you need 800 hp when a semi towing 50000 or 70000 pounds only needs 500 and they do great, seriously, but also when you modify a gasoline engine to get the same numbers, the same problem applyies. Reliablity, depenability, engine life, all goes down the tube. And i do say this with the most respect, not trying to bash your opinions, but seriously!!

 

Any given day.

Video, timeslip, with a trailer, load of wood in the bed...........lemme know and I'll be more than happy to play.

Lightnings......... they don't try anymore

Mustangs......... locals boys know better

Vette........ got you by a second on the track

Grand National..... he won't try again

Better bring it to the track on a trailer and slicks.......

My offer goes like this......

Post a video and a timeslip at the track of your choice. If you can run your 5.2 Sport faster than my CTD at my local track with a video and a timeslip, I'll buy ya tank of fuel.

Ya better be runnin low 7's on the 1/8th and mid 11's on the 1/4 before ya step up.

 

I never meant to imply the V10 was a superior engine, but when guys compare overly boosted diesels to stock and very mild V10 gas engines, it's not even in the realm of fairness. I'd be willing to bet a magnum iron 8.0 V10 could make 550 hp and still be a great daily driver engine with a long life expectancy 150k+, which is good for a big cube gas engine. I also realize most of the cold weather diesel problems are fuel related and not always the design of the diesel engine, but it's still a flaw. The problem is the real diesel guys who own, know and understand the diesels are usually not the ones on these silly diesel chest beatin threads, but usually the noob with a 3.9 ram with no real grasp of mechanics. just sort of like a annoying fly at the picnic table lol So far my 5.2 has over 165k mi on it and still runs strong, my 5.7 LT1 chevy wagon has over 170K miand runs stronger then it should and i had a old 351w in a 82 f150 with well over 300k mi on it. gas engines can last a while too when taken care of. I just don't see the reason for the almost pure outright hatred the V10 gets on some of these Dodge forums, it's very silly to me. Don't feel bad about the cold, it was a chilly 82 degrees here today in Sw Fla, almost had to leave my flannel shirt on all day lmao

 

I guess I should have made it clear, I'll have a V10 in my 2wd sport soon, that's what we would line up. of course I could make a ***** to the wall nitrous run on the 5.2, might only get one run out of it with a 200hp shot on it lol You must not run very many fast cars if you think 11's gives you the right to make such loud and boastful claims. Down here if your rig isn't in the 8's (1/4 mile), just stay home. I just want to have a fun truck to cruise with, 12's on the pretty much stock motor and whatever a 150 shot on top of that knocks off will be fine with me.

 

7's and 11's is my EVERYDAY daily driver, as it sits, right now, at 7400 lbs, tailgate on, spare tire hangin underneath, street pressure and without spray.

Not a track queen, not a one use only rig........ my do everything, when I need it to, daily driver.

....and yes, I've turned every wrench on it......and no, it's not just a little electronic wizardry.

7's........11's.........18 MPG city / 21 hwy......lemme see a V10 do that. That's the beauty of diesel. You can add power and still get mileage. It's not nearly as manageable in a big gasser.

You get one or the other in a gas engine.