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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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Sony is the way to go over a dual piecer, I wouldnt ever buy dual, since they actually put money into developement, the only problem is that car audio is such a small portion of what sony does that they dont really focus on it.

and whoever said 760 seems like a lot for a 2ch really doesnt know what they are talking about, as a rule multiple channel amps will have more power than mono, they have to run more channels. but its seperated into those multiple channels. And no, you probably arent even runn 250 maybe 300 watts on that, but for your front speakers alone that should be more than enough.

Now keep in mind that some amps will send a current more clean and clear, so you could have two amps that run the same power and one will sound better because it runs that current through the amp with better quality. So say a Dual amp running the same power as a top of the line mark antony amp will put out a much more deadened droning sound than that high end amp that will put out better highs and mids seperating the two kinds of noise much better.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Laramie1997
Keep in mind that bridging the amp ONLY works on an amp setup for it. If its not setup for it, you will blow that amp up pretty damn quick.
I know this but since he was asking what it was I figured the amp he was looking at must be able to do it so he wondered what it was.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 07:31 PM
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still no one understands that when you buy a **** 760watt amp at walmart it is NOT 760watts..like if you bought a kicker or JL amp. Your speaker amp should be 90w RMS. I would say 50w is a bit underpowered for decent speakers. I have a 4 chan 90 watt powering my 4 speakers and its alittle underpowered. both of those amps are junk but since you have an unrealistic price range for wanting quality just get the sony.
A 760watt amp Max doesn't matter if it came from JL or a Sony from Wal-Mart. Doesn't really matter you aren't getting that power not because it came from Wal-Mart but because that's the max rating not the rms rating.


As for 50 watts being underpowered I don't think so considering that his speakers are rated for 50 watts rms. Do they really need almost double that? No. Is it a good idea? Probably not. You need to match your speakers up to your amp so while for you a 90 watt amp might be great it's probably not for him who has speakers rated for 50 watts. You could probably do it but it's not needed. I don't see a reason for any bigger than a 70 watt amp for him if he even wants to go that big.

That being said how do you figure 90 watts in underpowered? Mine that has 70 watts has plenty and I mean plenty of power. Heck most h/u's go louder than most people need and they usually put out 14-22 watts rms. 90 watt's per speaker is a lot of power and surely not underpowered. I have a family member who used to be in a band and said they used 1000 watt amps in clubs to power the club so he thinks it's just unreal that people want or think they need that much power in their car. If you have a quality amp 90 watts is more than enough.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 98cherryram
Sony is the way to go over a dual piecer, I wouldnt ever buy dual, since they actually put money into developement, the only problem is that car audio is such a small portion of what sony does that they dont really focus on it.

and whoever said 760 seems like a lot for a 2ch really doesnt know what they are talking about, as a rule multiple channel amps will have more power than mono, they have to run more channels. but its seperated into those multiple channels. And no, you probably arent even runn 250 maybe 300 watts on that, but for your front speakers alone that should be more than enough.

Now keep in mind that some amps will send a current more clean and clear, so you could have two amps that run the same power and one will sound better because it runs that current through the amp with better quality. So say a Dual amp running the same power as a top of the line mark antony amp will put out a much more deadened droning sound than that high end amp that will put out better highs and mids seperating the two kinds of noise much better.
760 watts isn't a lot for a 2 channel amp when you consider that he said max. The RMS rating is what you want to look at not the max power aka peak power rating. They don't put out nearly that constantly.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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alright thats simple enuff to understand....i was at wally world last night and they had 2 amps for under $100, which is around what i am willin to spend........one was an sony xplod and the other was a dual mofset......dont remember the specifics on either but which would be the better brand? or could someone put a link up to a better one in my price range?......i think im gonna go for a 4 channel cause my rears will be needin replacin in a little while too
Out of these two I'd pick the Sony. However, if it was me I wouldn't pick either. Sony stuff for car audio is crap. It sounds like crap and doesn't seem to last well. It's just junk. Almost all not all but almost all Sony stuff I've had has died way before it should. Usually after the warranty runs out though. One thing I had fixed a time or two under warranty and then it messed up again right after the warranty ended. I don't like Sony anything really but honestly their car audio stuff seems to be worse than the rest of their stuff.

The one cheaper amp's I've used that I thought were decent is a Profile California. Crutchfield.com sells them. I've had good luck with them as has a few buddies. They seem decent and are fairly cheap. I like my Alpine amp but it wasn't super cheap.



As for speakers like that in the rear you probably don't want another set of components in the rear. Most guys do components up front and coaxials in the rear. You might want to read up on car audio before buying other stuff. However, you could get a 4 channel amp and run the coaxials off of it in the rear when you add them.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hometheaterman
760 watts isn't a lot for a 2 channel amp when you consider that he said max. The RMS rating is what you want to look at not the max power aka peak power rating. They don't put out nearly that constantly.
I know that 760 watts isnt that much...Im the one who said that, but like I said, its enough power to push what he wants just for the front speakers, but like I said, some amps put out better sound than others, less busy work inside of them and less sound loss.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 98cherryram
I know that 760 watts isnt that much...Im the one who said that, but like I said, its enough power to push what he wants just for the front speakers, but like I said, some amps put out better sound than others, less busy work inside of them and less sound loss.
He didn't say what the rms rating is but your right more than likely it's enough for the front speakers.

I was just saying it's not a ton since it's max power to the guys that seemed to think there was no way it was a 760 watt amp. It probably really does put that out when you take max power into account.
 
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hometheaterman
A 760watt amp Max doesn't matter if it came from JL or a Sony from Wal-Mart. Doesn't really matter you aren't getting that power not because it came from Wal-Mart but because that's the max rating not the rms rating.


As for 50 watts being underpowered I don't think so considering that his speakers are rated for 50 watts rms. Do they really need almost double that? No. Is it a good idea? Probably not. You need to match your speakers up to your amp so while for you a 90 watt amp might be great it's probably not for him who has speakers rated for 50 watts. You could probably do it but it's not needed. I don't see a reason for any bigger than a 70 watt amp for him if he even wants to go that big.

That being said how do you figure 90 watts in underpowered? Mine that has 70 watts has plenty and I mean plenty of power. Heck most h/u's go louder than most people need and they usually put out 14-22 watts rms. 90 watt's per speaker is a lot of power and surely not underpowered. I have a family member who used to be in a band and said they used 1000 watt amps in clubs to power the club so he thinks it's just unreal that people want or think they need that much power in their car. If you have a quality amp 90 watts is more than enough.
What i was trying to say was what you said, walmart stuff is all rated in max power output. except people look at one brand thats decent and rated in RMS and then look at walmart and be like "oh im getting more for cheaper" My speakers are rated at 90 watts RMS and i have a 90watt 4 chan. So 90 watts isnt more than enough. if it was bumped up a bit amp wouldnt have to work as hard. Also, dont compare PA systems to car audio. Gomer- refer to first part of this post. if the RMS of the amp you got worked out for you than thats good.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 01:23 AM
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so i should prob just get a 2 channel? walmart has RMS ratings on their stuff too.....


could you give a quick list of amp brands from low quality to high?
 
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:43 AM
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Pioneer 760W Amp
125 watts RMS x 2 at 4 ohms (190 watts RMS x 2 at 2 ohms)
380 watts RMS x 1 in bridged mode (4-ohm stable in bridged mode)

125 watts RMS per channel...

But I need a 4 channel....correct?

Like this...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1179165803051
 

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