all-metal radiator?
#11
Yeah, "google it nooB" real helpful.
Like I'd waste the damn time asking a bunch of guys I don't know, and don't know if their advice is opinion (and we all know about what opinions are like) or fact.
I hate forums for just this reason. FYI, and I hate having to explain myself like this: I searched on this wonderful forum, and on google, and came up with squat. I found a couple links to websites I'd never heard of before, or ebay, but before I go pizzing my money away on some company I've never heard of or done business with, or some chinese knockoff on ebay I thought I'd ask some people who had these trucks and might have firsthand experiance. So, um, thanks. No no, really, thanks.
I readily admit I suck at google... and frequently don't find what others can easily, but still. First response to a guy is that? I guess we've got a new (albeit toned down) Pirate here. On a site that can't even return a metal radiator in a search... lol.
--- stepping off my soapbox----
Like I'd waste the damn time asking a bunch of guys I don't know, and don't know if their advice is opinion (and we all know about what opinions are like) or fact.
I hate forums for just this reason. FYI, and I hate having to explain myself like this: I searched on this wonderful forum, and on google, and came up with squat. I found a couple links to websites I'd never heard of before, or ebay, but before I go pizzing my money away on some company I've never heard of or done business with, or some chinese knockoff on ebay I thought I'd ask some people who had these trucks and might have firsthand experiance. So, um, thanks. No no, really, thanks.
I readily admit I suck at google... and frequently don't find what others can easily, but still. First response to a guy is that? I guess we've got a new (albeit toned down) Pirate here. On a site that can't even return a metal radiator in a search... lol.
--- stepping off my soapbox----
Now, your comment about guys replying to this thread with very limited mechanical advice, could get you in some hot water. You don't really know what a person's mechanical skill is just by reading a post on a forum.
If you have an issue with me, and would like to discuss it further, I suggest you to take it to PMs and keep it out of the general forums. No one likes seeing a flame war in the open.
#12
Over, spurred by your OP. I contacted my radiator builder. Mind you this man builds nothing but competion aluminum and brass radiators stritchly for racing purposes only. He quoted me $1000 for a radiator in the same dimensions of my factory one, $1300 if you wanted it in brass. PM me if you like I will pass along his name and phone number.
#13
What I have, so far as mechanical problems, is a leaking radiator, thanks. That's pretty cut and dry. I need a new one. Hm, that was rough diagnosis. Again, thanks for the under-the-breath slam. I know what I'm doing mechanically. I'm new to this platform.
BTW, don't you love it when a ton of guys who so far have provided minimal evidence of mechanical knowledge smash a new guy? Yeah, its a help me post. Cause I thought maybe guys who have had these trucks a while might have encountered this issue... silly me.
Thanks for the V-10 hint. Do you know what year they put the V-10 in this body? You know the parts monkeys needs year/make/model/etc etc to get anything out of their computers.
BTW, don't you love it when a ton of guys who so far have provided minimal evidence of mechanical knowledge smash a new guy? Yeah, its a help me post. Cause I thought maybe guys who have had these trucks a while might have encountered this issue... silly me.
Thanks for the V-10 hint. Do you know what year they put the V-10 in this body? You know the parts monkeys needs year/make/model/etc etc to get anything out of their computers.
As for my last line about the posts, I don't know how long you have been around forums, but it is a well known fact that when you join a forum, NO ONE likes it when the noobie comes straight out with the first post and say "I need". You got a pm from the forum moderator telling you to introduce yourself. Why? Because that is the polite thing to do. If you walk in to a crowded room, you don't just walk up to people you don't know and start asking stupid questions. If you do, most likely you will be ignored or shunned. I was simply voicing the frustration many of us feel when we have a large amount of people who become members simply to get help to a current problem, then disappear and never help anyone else. Many times, noobs make posts and never check back to see what the suggestions are. If a person joins the "Community" and becomes part of the "community" and behaves as such, then no one here would begrudge helping him or her. There are hundreds of forums on the web, and few are as good as this one. Like Laramie said in another post, (I paraphrase) "we the 2nd gen forum are like a family, we take care of each other". That is a nice sentiment, but it is also what makes this board better than most. I am really surprised that everyone decided to help you as much as they did. With such a defensive attitude, I didn't expect you would get any positive feed back.
#14
over2land,
If you're looking to increase cooling capacity, the Ram V-10 radiator core is larger than the V-8's and the mounting points should be exactly the same. I believe you would need to run a different fan shroud setup if you're running the clutch fan.
The Cummins have a 4 core radiator, IDK if the mounts are the same.
I've never seen a solid metal radiator for our engine, but if you can find one for a late year LA motor setup, call and ask the seller for compatibility. It may be the same.
As far as the leaks go, I totally understand. I lost a radiator just about 2 months ago to a leak on the driver's side where the plastic and aluminum meet. I just bought a $200 replacement from a parts store and was done with it. Rads should go further than 8 years IMO, but I think the pressure on manufacturers to save weight to increase mileage and cut costs has slowly led to inferior parts making their way mainstream.
If you're looking to increase cooling capacity, the Ram V-10 radiator core is larger than the V-8's and the mounting points should be exactly the same. I believe you would need to run a different fan shroud setup if you're running the clutch fan.
The Cummins have a 4 core radiator, IDK if the mounts are the same.
I've never seen a solid metal radiator for our engine, but if you can find one for a late year LA motor setup, call and ask the seller for compatibility. It may be the same.
As far as the leaks go, I totally understand. I lost a radiator just about 2 months ago to a leak on the driver's side where the plastic and aluminum meet. I just bought a $200 replacement from a parts store and was done with it. Rads should go further than 8 years IMO, but I think the pressure on manufacturers to save weight to increase mileage and cut costs has slowly led to inferior parts making their way mainstream.
Seriously, I don't know whether to bash you, or tell you good job. What your asking for is such an oddball idea, and honestly, I don't see what the benifits would be on a 1500. Unless your trying to cover up another mechanical issue, you shouldn't have heat control conflicts by moving to a bigger metal radiator.
Now, your comment about guys replying to this thread with very limited mechanical advice, could get you in some hot water. You don't really know what a person's mechanical skill is just by reading a post on a forum.
If you have an issue with me, and would like to discuss it further, I suggest you to take it to PMs and keep it out of the general forums. No one likes seeing a flame war in the open.
Now, your comment about guys replying to this thread with very limited mechanical advice, could get you in some hot water. You don't really know what a person's mechanical skill is just by reading a post on a forum.
If you have an issue with me, and would like to discuss it further, I suggest you to take it to PMs and keep it out of the general forums. No one likes seeing a flame war in the open.
As for the mechanical abilities, that's kinda my point. Everyone jumped on me, or so I felt, without knowing me, what I know, or where I'm from. I felt it was undeserved, and in my eyes it reflected poorly on this forum.
I thought flame wars were fun? lol. Naw man, nothing with you personally, again, just felt jumped on.
Over, spurred by your OP. I contacted my radiator builder. Mind you this man builds nothing but competion aluminum and brass radiators stritchly for racing purposes only. He quoted me $1000 for a radiator in the same dimensions of my factory one, $1300 if you wanted it in brass. PM me if you like I will pass along his name and phone number.
To begin with, there was no under-the-breath slam. I voiced an opinion as anyone else would say that a leaky radiator is an easy fix by simply replacing it, and if someone is looking for a larger, more powerful cooling, then there must be a mechanical problem being ignored. There is a big difference between ignoring a problem, and not being mechanically competent. People love to delude themselves all the time that "if this was better", or "If I had a bigger" and many times refuse to look at the obvious.
As for my last line about the posts, I don't know how long you have been around forums, but it is a well known fact that when you join a forum, NO ONE likes it when the noobie comes straight out with the first post and say "I need". You got a pm from the forum moderator telling you to introduce yourself. Why? Because that is the polite thing to do. If you walk in to a crowded room, you don't just walk up to people you don't know and start asking stupid questions. If you do, most likely you will be ignored or shunned. I was simply voicing the frustration many of us feel when we have a large amount of people who become members simply to get help to a current problem, then disappear and never help anyone else. Many times, noobs make posts and never check back to see what the suggestions are. If a person joins the "Community" and becomes part of the "community" and behaves as such, then no one here would begrudge helping him or her. There are hundreds of forums on the web, and few are as good as this one. Like Laramie said in another post, (I paraphrase) "we the 2nd gen forum are like a family, we take care of each other". That is a nice sentiment, but it is also what makes this board better than most. I am really surprised that everyone decided to help you as much as they did. With such a defensive attitude, I didn't expect you would get any positive feed back.
You really blame me for being defensive with these responses I got being my welcome to the "family"? Every other forum I'm on, if a nooB asks even a stupid *** (worse than mine) question, I'll either ask if they've searched, I'll respond to them, I'll search for them and put up a couple of links (then hit em with the ol search nooB), or I'll try to get them to better articulate the what and why of what they are looking for. We've all been nooBs before. Whether it to forums in general or to a specific vehicle, we should all remember what it was like before jumping on the bash the noob bandwagon without knowing where they come from. If you search my SN in google, you'll see I've been around and see what I say is true.
In another note: I'm surprised you guys look to electric fans as pulling more than the engine driven mechanical fan. Unless going to a dual electric setup, I've yet to see a similar-sized electric that moves more than its engine driven counterpart- unless there are other issues there.
Last edited by over2land; 07-10-2009 at 10:06 PM.
#15
I actually didn't get a pm about introducing myself, or I would have. I hear ya on the noob needing thing. And, as for becoming part of the community, sure I'd like to. I've got tons of things rattling around on years and years of beating on and fixing vehicles. What I don't have is specifics about this one.
You need a PM to remind you to introduce yourself? Thats common courtesy. Even if you had just said "Hey, my name is XYZ and I have a XYZ model year Ram 1500 with the XYZ engine. Here's the issue I've been having, hope you guys can help..."
Thats like saying you need to be reminded to introduce yourself in front of a large conference room full of people, and you're the guest speaker. If you're not introduced by the host, you introduce yourself before you ask a question or present your point.
You really blame me for being defensive with these responses I got being my welcome to the "family"? Every other forum I'm on, if a nooB asks even a stupid *** (worse than mine) question, I'll either ask if they've searched, I'll respond to them, I'll search for them and put up a couple of links (then hit em with the ol search nooB), or I'll try to get them to better articulate the what and why of what they are looking for. We've all been nooBs before. Whether it to forums in general or to a specific vehicle, we should all remember what it was like before jumping on the bash the noob bandwagon without knowing where they come from. If you search my SN in google, you'll see I've been around and see what I say is true.
In another note: I'm surprised you guys look to electric fans as pulling more than the engine driven mechanical fan. Unless going to a dual electric setup, I've yet to see a similar-sized electric that moves more than its engine driven counterpart- unless there are other issues there.
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#17
I don't want to sound like a dick here, but I don't want to beat around the bush either...
You need a PM to remind you to introduce yourself? Thats common courtesy. Even if you had just said "Hey, my name is XYZ and I have a XYZ model year Ram 1500 with the XYZ engine. Here's the issue I've been having, hope you guys can help..."
Thats like saying you need to be reminded to introduce yourself in front of a large conference room full of people, and you're the guest speaker. If you're not introduced by the host, you introduce yourself before you ask a question or present your point.
We aren't necessarily questioning the "newb" question, what we primarily got caught up on was the fact that you just threw the question out there without telling us who you are. This is common practice, as I'm sure you know being an experienced forum guy with Jeeps, with guys who have a problem, join the forum just to get an answer, and as soon as they have a few ideas from responses, leave, never to be heard from again. Thats why we were a little hostile at first, we figured you were another one of "them".
Ditching the clutch fan frees up a few more ponies and a little more MPG in town. Many don't do it right, but if its done right, it'll cool almost if not just as much as the stocker.
You need a PM to remind you to introduce yourself? Thats common courtesy. Even if you had just said "Hey, my name is XYZ and I have a XYZ model year Ram 1500 with the XYZ engine. Here's the issue I've been having, hope you guys can help..."
Thats like saying you need to be reminded to introduce yourself in front of a large conference room full of people, and you're the guest speaker. If you're not introduced by the host, you introduce yourself before you ask a question or present your point.
We aren't necessarily questioning the "newb" question, what we primarily got caught up on was the fact that you just threw the question out there without telling us who you are. This is common practice, as I'm sure you know being an experienced forum guy with Jeeps, with guys who have a problem, join the forum just to get an answer, and as soon as they have a few ideas from responses, leave, never to be heard from again. Thats why we were a little hostile at first, we figured you were another one of "them".
Ditching the clutch fan frees up a few more ponies and a little more MPG in town. Many don't do it right, but if its done right, it'll cool almost if not just as much as the stocker.
And, I don't question the freeing up of ponies or the MPG (though I've not seen repeatable measureable results... if it frees up ponies, it must get better mpg, right?)
Since I asked the question I found a dual electric fan setup... for $538! lol.. I'll stick with my engine driven fan for now.. I'm not gonna have this truck in water that deep (I hope).
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V10s were available from '93 to '03, although the '93-'98 are somewhat different from later models. Here's a pic of my rad. Although huge in overall size, it is only a 2 row core. My truck runs cold, even in hot SoCal summer weather with the A/C on. Almost never gets above 180 unless I'm towing something and even then it takes some effort.
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