actually i just figured that my friends 360...that i waxed...just raced him 3 times...the first race was from a dead stop and both of them spun....but the 360 actually spun more...in a lil over a quarter mile, the cummins had the gasser by maybe 3 lengths, if that....the last 2 were from rolls...each of them won one of them...the cummins barely beat the gasser, but the gasser did completely beat the cummins once that makes me feel good...so now i know that i would wax that cummins in a race with no weight added!! i asked him if he wanted to lose...well race the Sunhawk....he said no