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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 09:54 AM
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Have a look at just who is making those claims though. Are there any RELIABLE sources that corroborate that info? 99.999 percent of such claims are BS, just gimmicks. Have a look on Ebay, you can see the EXACT same claims, 50+ horsepower 10-15mpg improvement, by hooking up a resistor to you IAT sensor.

Just because they say it, doesn't make it true.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by alegar
Never heard of the acetone myth. So an industry that is in bed with the oil industry is going to make a device that will detract from the others profability... ok. As well as the fact that one oopsy and your car explodes that would be like selling a car that explodes when it gets rear-ended... wait scratch that LOL.
http://pureenergysystems.com/news/20...00069_Acetone/
 
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by alegar
Never heard of the acetone myth. So an industry that is in bed with the oil industry is going to make a device that will detract from the others profability... ok. As well as the fact that one oopsy and your car explodes that would be like selling a car that explodes when it gets rear-ended... wait scratch that LOL.

Yeah They're so deep in bed with the oil industry that's why both have worked over the decades to develop oil with a higher viscosity and increase change intervals from the old 3,000 mile standard to a minimum of 7,500 miles and even as high as 15,000 miles.

Yet another reason why the voting age should be raised to 25. You kids believe anything.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by alegar
Never heard of the acetone myth. So an industry that is in bed with the oil industry is going to make a device that will detract from the others profability... ok. As well as the fact that one oopsy and your car explodes that would be like selling a car that explodes when it gets rear-ended... wait scratch that LOL.
ford pinto is all i have to say.


and if you can mak the hho install work and you save more then what you paid for it in one year. send me a dyno sheet and where you bought it because if theres power gain and money to save im down.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:12 AM
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Have a look at this site. Specifically, this claim:

This is how an hho generator produces more energy than it consumes in the production process.

Erm, no. It isn't possible to produce more energy than used to generate in the first place. That is a violation of the laws of physics, and no matter how powerful congress, or anyone else, thinks they are, you can't just legislate them away.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:21 AM
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So they are trying to get people to put a solvent into their fuel tanks... sweet. Honestly I make no claims on a getting anything out of a hho system nor do I sell them. I have seen with my own two eyes cars with hho get an increase on fuel milage. I have built a few reactors are the power hungry little sob's, yes, did they make Hydrogen yes. They can be fitted to a vehicle, will a dinky pos from ebay that makes very little hydrogen affect your mileage, probably not. Can you make one at home that when well tuned can make large quantities of hydrogen, yes, will it make a difference in mileage, yes. Mostly though hho is more something to mess around with then to count on as a reliable fuel source.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by VWandDodge
Yeah They're so deep in bed with the oil industry that's why both have worked over the decades to develop oil with a higher viscosity and increase change intervals from the old 3,000 mile standard to a minimum of 7,500 miles and even as high as 15,000 miles.

Yet another reason why the voting age should be raised to 25. You kids believe anything.
Seeing is believeing and just because you want to force your opinion you choose to call some one young and dumb then that is your right as well. So where are you getting your information, if it is not from personnel experience then it is from the same unreliable flaky source you are rallying against. We can all go out and get a parts manual that tells us how to take something apart tell you do it you have no idea how it is done. And the 15000 mile oil change on BMWs great idea but what is one of the main fails of that sludge, that is why most bmws go down with burnt up engines. And I have yet to see an owners manual that says dont change oil tell 7500, but I have seen many that have duty ranges from sever 3000/3month- normal 7500 miles.

If you want to to prove that I am wrong then prove it, don't say to me well this other guy says it cant be done.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by alegar
Seeing is believeing and just because you want to force your opinion you choose to call some one young and dumb then that is your right as well. So where are you getting your information, if it is not from personnel experience then it is from the same unreliable flaky source you are rallying against. We can all go out and get a parts manual that tells us how to take something apart tell you do it you have no idea how it is done. And the 15000 mile oil change on BMWs great idea but what is one of the main fails of that sludge, that is why most bmws go down with burnt up engines. And I have yet to see an owners manual that says dont change oil tell 7500, but I have seen many that have duty ranges from sever 3000/3month- normal 7500 miles.

If you want to to prove that I am wrong then prove it, don't say to me well this other guy says it cant be done.
With all of the spelling, grammar, and diction errors in your posts, your ignorance does not surprise me. Hopefully, you are capable of reading and comprehending the material put forth.

Motor Oil Myths and Facts



Recommended Oil Change Intervals for Mobil Motor Oils
Why Are Oil Change Intervals Getting Longer?
Oil Changes - How Often?

http://www.cartechniks.com/Maintenan...eInterval.aspx
  • Required Every 7500 miles
    • Change Engine Oil and Filter (Turbo Engines Only)
    • While Porsche recommends a 7500 mile oil change interval for Turbos and a 15000 mile oil change interval for normally aspirated cars, we feel that shorter oil change intervals are important to the longevity of the engine (bearings, rings, valve train). Personally, I change the oil and filter every 3000 miles (4800 km) and highly recommend that you choose an interval no longer than 5000 miles (8000 km). You should only use a Mahle oil filter with check valve or a Porsche OEM filter.
Ford officially extends oil change interval to 7,500 miles


Ford has been studying the question of when to suggest oil changes, and they've hit upon 7,500 miles for 2007 and newer cars. Not only are modern oils better, modern engines are also better. You don't have carburetors metering poorly on winter mornings, tolerances are a lot tighter, and operating temperatures are typically a little hotter, helping to cook off the junk that accumulates in the oil. Some manufacturers use a sensor to monitor the health of the oil and light a service lamp when it calculates change is required. Ford contends that its customers prefer a set amount of miles between changes. The automaker also cites the environmental benefits that come from less waste oil, monetary savings, as well as extensive tests as positive aspects of the new recommendation. I'm convinced that the only reason to suggest changing the oil at 3,000 miles in a modern car is to sell more oil. Perhaps an air-cooled Porsche would stress dino juice more, and could sensibly require changes at 3K, but you can stretch to drain intervals that would make your father gasp and clutch his chest by running modern oils in your modern engine. Of course, your driving pattern has a lot to do with it, as well. If you're in town for short hops, you'll require a shorter drain interval than the guy running Mobil 1 for his highway commute and changing the oil at 25 kilomile intervals (raising my hand).
http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/UsedOil...OilChanges.pdf

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf


The 3,000 mile oil change MYTH is for people who have a landline at home even though they also have a cell phone that's used every day and the landline rarely, if ever, rings. They're so ingrained in old habits they're scared of change.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2011 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by alegar
So the whole hho systems are junk don't work one bit... then why is that when it is put into a car the fuel economy goes up 10-15 mpg. And I never said it was a economic fuel replacement. There is enough excess juice floating around a cars chargeing system to power a reactor, it may not be enough to get the reactor to run the car but it is enough to off set the fuel economy.
Because when you put these in you screw up your computer causing your vehicle to run excessively lean. I can show you how to do the same thing with a resistor from Radio shack, and it is just as bad for your engine
 
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