4.7 to 5.9 swap. SEARCHED!
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4.7 to 5.9 swap. SEARCHED!
Hey everyone. Ill start off by saying that I HAVE searched this forum for information. Basically what happened was the heater core line busted at the T and leaked ALL of the coolant out. There was never any steam or any sign of overheating.. Anyway, the temp gauge never went hot, but the engine got so hot it shut off on me. After looking around a bit I had found the problem. After it was all fixed, the engine cranked but ran like hell. I did a compression test and had 0 compression on #1, 90 psi on 2, 160 on 4 and 100-110 on the rest. I pulled the valve cover and saw one of the valves on #1 was not closing. The rocker is as loose as it can be.
Now, on to my real concern. I had a 2001 ram 5.9 that I had put a lot into. Had performer rpm heads, cam, TB, intake mani, headers, custom flash, etc,etc. I totalled the truck a couple years back and kept the entire drive line. motor, accessories, trans, harness, computer. I know the 02 rams cam with the 5.9 and the 4.7. Im trying to figure out what needs to be done to put this engine in. Almost all of the treads i have found about this are just telling people to either replace with another 4.7 or to get a 5.7. I have this engine sitting here begging to be put it. I dont want to do a hemi or replace the 4.7. The 4.7 pcm thats in the truck is the 3 connector type.
Here is the list of things I have found that need to be changed:
trans
wiring (will the old wire harness and pcm plug into what i have or do i have to rewire things?)
pcm
motor mounts
pcm flash to make VINs match if i dont want abs lights.
Im not sure about the trans crossmember or driveshaft. I also read somewhere that i might need a different oil pan. Should i use the 4.7 or 5.9 accessories? are there any problems making PS, AC, Alt, ect work?
If anyone has a link on this information or just any info that can help me pull this off would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Now, on to my real concern. I had a 2001 ram 5.9 that I had put a lot into. Had performer rpm heads, cam, TB, intake mani, headers, custom flash, etc,etc. I totalled the truck a couple years back and kept the entire drive line. motor, accessories, trans, harness, computer. I know the 02 rams cam with the 5.9 and the 4.7. Im trying to figure out what needs to be done to put this engine in. Almost all of the treads i have found about this are just telling people to either replace with another 4.7 or to get a 5.7. I have this engine sitting here begging to be put it. I dont want to do a hemi or replace the 4.7. The 4.7 pcm thats in the truck is the 3 connector type.
Here is the list of things I have found that need to be changed:
trans
wiring (will the old wire harness and pcm plug into what i have or do i have to rewire things?)
pcm
motor mounts
pcm flash to make VINs match if i dont want abs lights.
Im not sure about the trans crossmember or driveshaft. I also read somewhere that i might need a different oil pan. Should i use the 4.7 or 5.9 accessories? are there any problems making PS, AC, Alt, ect work?
If anyone has a link on this information or just any info that can help me pull this off would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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Robert Wood (07-11-2019)
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Welcome to DF.
First, before anything else, please read this:
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/dodge-ra...s-section.html
I will move you to the 2nd Gen Ram section (1994-2001 Rams).
First, before anything else, please read this:
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/dodge-ra...s-section.html
I will move you to the 2nd Gen Ram section (1994-2001 Rams).
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Not to hijack, but I've been thinking of doing the exact same thing, as my 4.7 has 225,000 miles and it's on it's last leg. Finding actual engine wont be hard, as in 2002, you could also use a 5.9 out of a durango or dakota, but actually mounting it IN there is where it would get tricky.
I share the OP's frustration, trying to find an '02 1500 with a factory 5.9 in a salvage yard is like looking for a needle in a stack of needles.
I used to work for a Dodge dealership, and I tried sourcing parts, and unfortunately, dodge has discontinued the engine mounts for the 2002 Ram 1500 with the 5.9 Option. I've been searching high and low for a set of used ones.
I suppose you could always make them if you had to.
As far as the PCM/ Harness goes, the harness for the 5.9, as well as the 4.7 are self contained and do not integrate with the vehicle harness, so as long as you got the harness/PCM intact, it would just be a simple swap. The 4.7 and 5.9 share the same transmission for THAT year, and that year alone, you just have to change the bell housing, so as far as the PCM goes, you wont have to change anything. It would just have to be reprogrammed for the VIN on your truck, otherwise you get ABS/Brake lights and annoying beeps everytime you start the truck. Most snap-on scan tools have the ability to program Dodge PCM's now, I know, I did it on mine when I replace the computer, takes about 5 minutes.
My dream configuration is the factory 5.9, built just a little with mild cams/bigger injectors, etc, with a 6 speed NV3550 behind it. Would make for a sweet little 1500.
I share the OP's frustration, trying to find an '02 1500 with a factory 5.9 in a salvage yard is like looking for a needle in a stack of needles.
I used to work for a Dodge dealership, and I tried sourcing parts, and unfortunately, dodge has discontinued the engine mounts for the 2002 Ram 1500 with the 5.9 Option. I've been searching high and low for a set of used ones.
I suppose you could always make them if you had to.
As far as the PCM/ Harness goes, the harness for the 5.9, as well as the 4.7 are self contained and do not integrate with the vehicle harness, so as long as you got the harness/PCM intact, it would just be a simple swap. The 4.7 and 5.9 share the same transmission for THAT year, and that year alone, you just have to change the bell housing, so as far as the PCM goes, you wont have to change anything. It would just have to be reprogrammed for the VIN on your truck, otherwise you get ABS/Brake lights and annoying beeps everytime you start the truck. Most snap-on scan tools have the ability to program Dodge PCM's now, I know, I did it on mine when I replace the computer, takes about 5 minutes.
My dream configuration is the factory 5.9, built just a little with mild cams/bigger injectors, etc, with a 6 speed NV3550 behind it. Would make for a sweet little 1500.
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rRyanek, are you sure about the trans being the same aside from the bellhousing? they dont look to be the same to me. and it is extremely difficult to find info on this. There are NO 02s with a 5.9 i have been able to find.. Can someone please chim in here? I have read articles where people say they have done it. So someone has to have more info...