dry oil filter
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You know, FRAM does make one line of decent filters ... the XtendedGuard. The tear-aparts I've seen show a well made filter, with all the stuff you want: silicon anti-drainback valve instead of nitrile, mesh backed media, synthetic media, crimp-on steel end cap, maybe a little light on media but that's about all you could complain about.
People who have run particle tests on them say they filter very well.
They cost about $8 which isn't bad considering the performance, which reportedly is in the same ballpark as the Mobil1, The Royal Purple, the Amsol, the K&N, etc. which can be almost twice the cost.
The problem, of course, is recommending one to somebody. FRAM makes at least 6 distinct lines of Oil Filters, and some of them are not only cheaply made but don't filter well either. The boxes all look more-or-less the same.
I'd hate to send someone to an auto parts store for one and have them come back with, say, a PH-series ("ExtraGuard") (nitrile, cardboard end cap, yadda yadda yadda).
I also wonder why anyone who looks for FRAM at the store would then pay $8 for a filter. People buy FRAM because they are usually the cheapest filter on the shelf and they feel for something they're going to throw away that an extra dime is money flying out the window. I don't understand how Honeywell managed to conclude that you can use "FRAM" and "Premium" in the same sentence.
Anyway, for what it's worth, if you pay attention to what you're buying you might be able to save a bit over some of the other premium filters.
I found some photos. PH series and XG series. The way they stuff the media in the PH you'd think paper was the most expensive part.
People who have run particle tests on them say they filter very well.
They cost about $8 which isn't bad considering the performance, which reportedly is in the same ballpark as the Mobil1, The Royal Purple, the Amsol, the K&N, etc. which can be almost twice the cost.
The problem, of course, is recommending one to somebody. FRAM makes at least 6 distinct lines of Oil Filters, and some of them are not only cheaply made but don't filter well either. The boxes all look more-or-less the same.
I'd hate to send someone to an auto parts store for one and have them come back with, say, a PH-series ("ExtraGuard") (nitrile, cardboard end cap, yadda yadda yadda).
I also wonder why anyone who looks for FRAM at the store would then pay $8 for a filter. People buy FRAM because they are usually the cheapest filter on the shelf and they feel for something they're going to throw away that an extra dime is money flying out the window. I don't understand how Honeywell managed to conclude that you can use "FRAM" and "Premium" in the same sentence.
Anyway, for what it's worth, if you pay attention to what you're buying you might be able to save a bit over some of the other premium filters.
I found some photos. PH series and XG series. The way they stuff the media in the PH you'd think paper was the most expensive part.
Last edited by Johnny2Bad; Feb 10, 2012 at 09:20 AM.
Champion
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From: Western NY,
royal purple motor oil looks like it would be good for the engine even on a cold start. the only thing that is stopping me from trying the stuff is that it would cost $100 just for the oil. that does not even include a filter. not quite sure where i would get a royal purple filter or what it would cost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dEFGJqpCMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dEFGJqpCMY
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From: Western NY,
Porsche is one of those who has extended oil changes to 15K since having switched to synthetic. With Royal Purple, I'll bet you could get two filter changes to each oil change (maybe more) and extend the oil changes to 25K miles.
The talk about 3K mile oil changes on cars older than 2002 is a giant crock of shiat. It's the oil that has changed, not the engines.
The talk about 3K mile oil changes on cars older than 2002 is a giant crock of shiat. It's the oil that has changed, not the engines.
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Joined: Aug 2009
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From: Western NY,
You know, FRAM does make one line of decent filters ... the XtendedGuard. The tear-aparts I've seen show a well made filter, with all the stuff you want: silicon anti-drainback valve instead of nitrile, mesh backed media, synthetic media, crimp-on steel end cap, maybe a little light on media but that's about all you could complain about.
People who have run particle tests on them say they filter very well.
They cost about $8 which isn't bad considering the performance, which reportedly is in the same ballpark as the Mobil1, The Royal Purple, the Amsol, the K&N, etc. which can be almost twice the cost.
The problem, of course, is recommending one to somebody. FRAM makes at least 6 distinct lines of Oil Filters, and some of them are not only cheaply made but don't filter well either. The boxes all look more-or-less the same.
I'd hate to send someone to an auto parts store for one and have them come back with, say, a PH-series ("ExtraGuard") (nitrile, cardboard end cap, yadda yadda yadda).
I also wonder why anyone who looks for FRAM at the store would then pay $8 for a filter. People buy FRAM because they are usually the cheapest filter on the shelf and they feel for something they're going to throw away that an extra dime is money flying out the window. I don't understand how Honeywell managed to conclude that you can use "FRAM" and "Premium" in the same sentence.
Anyway, for what it's worth, if you pay attention to what you're buying you might be able to save a bit over some of the other premium filters.
I found some photos. PH series and XG series. The way they stuff the media in the PH you'd think paper was the most expensive part.
People who have run particle tests on them say they filter very well.
They cost about $8 which isn't bad considering the performance, which reportedly is in the same ballpark as the Mobil1, The Royal Purple, the Amsol, the K&N, etc. which can be almost twice the cost.
The problem, of course, is recommending one to somebody. FRAM makes at least 6 distinct lines of Oil Filters, and some of them are not only cheaply made but don't filter well either. The boxes all look more-or-less the same.
I'd hate to send someone to an auto parts store for one and have them come back with, say, a PH-series ("ExtraGuard") (nitrile, cardboard end cap, yadda yadda yadda).
I also wonder why anyone who looks for FRAM at the store would then pay $8 for a filter. People buy FRAM because they are usually the cheapest filter on the shelf and they feel for something they're going to throw away that an extra dime is money flying out the window. I don't understand how Honeywell managed to conclude that you can use "FRAM" and "Premium" in the same sentence.
Anyway, for what it's worth, if you pay attention to what you're buying you might be able to save a bit over some of the other premium filters.
I found some photos. PH series and XG series. The way they stuff the media in the PH you'd think paper was the most expensive part.
sorry for all the consecutive posts...I wish I could have consolitaed them into one multiquote.
Last edited by Augiedoggy; Feb 10, 2012 at 11:00 AM.
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From: orangeville ontario
yeah... a couple years not using that stuff for oil changes can save you enough money to buy another rebuilt block!..Where's the logic in that?.. the stuff is good quality but I'm gonna say again its all about marketing and playing on peoples fears and ignorance to sell their product...there is no way is costs more than some of the other synthetic oils sold for much less to make...
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From: DuQuoin,IL.
I think that the filters can't outlive the oil, that is the problem. WHich is why I go 3K on oil changes. Sometimes it is longer because I get a bit lazy. But no more than 500-1000 miles over 3K.
QUESTION: Has anyone gone with a TALLER filter than the stock ones for our trucks? I know that mobil 1 sells a taller filter for our trucks. I would buy that for my 2001 (used to for my 1996) but my cali truck lacks clearance and the filter would be danger close to my precats.
More filter area may help.
QUESTION: Has anyone gone with a TALLER filter than the stock ones for our trucks? I know that mobil 1 sells a taller filter for our trucks. I would buy that for my 2001 (used to for my 1996) but my cali truck lacks clearance and the filter would be danger close to my precats.
More filter area may help.
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From: DuQuoin,IL.
These companies that make parts, including filters, normally make them to the branding company's specifications. I used to haul filters for Champion occasionally and at the time they made about 60% of the filters made in this country. They made them for K-Mart on up the highly ranked Caterpillar filters. I talked to one of the engineers and he said they were made to the specs of each company.
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From: Western NY,
i found a place in the city that i can get a case with 12 quarts of royal purple for $130. if i had a rebuilt engine, after the break in period i think royal purple would be all i would run but since my current engine is so old and leaks i don't think it would be worth it yet. if i could go 12,000 miles on royal purple motor oil then i think it would be worth it in the long run since i spend about $20 every 3000 mile on cheap brand name oil and cheap quality filter.
with the liquid gold /purple stuff Thats about $1,200 more in a 200,000 mile period than normal if you just used normally priced engine oil or synthetic which can still easily do 10,000 miles easy between oil changes.(with the same amount of hydrocarbons and contaminants in the oil as royal purple)... It still doesnt really make any practical sense to me? the engine still wears out and needs to be torn down and rebuilt at a certain point because there are lots of other components that will need attention and fail.
Its not the oil that breaks down anymore its the crap that builds up in the oil... this is where good filters can help.
Last edited by Augiedoggy; Feb 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM.
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From: Western NY,
These companies that make parts, including filters, normally make them to the branding company's specifications. I used to haul filters for Champion occasionally and at the time they made about 60% of the filters made in this country. They made them for K-Mart on up the highly ranked Caterpillar filters. I talked to one of the engineers and he said they were made to the specs of each company.