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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 04:08 PM
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hi all im kinda lost with this one. when i lightly press the throttle (like just open it about 1 or 2 % the engine picks up in rpm (1000 or so) then dips to 250 and keeps surging like this until it either stalls or i let off. it usually only takes a few seconds. this is kinda annoying while backing out of a parking space or trying to creep ahead at a stop sign if i just tap the throttle. its not the IAC. ive replaced that several months ago when it would stall letting off the throttle. i also cleaned the throttle body
and no vacuum leaks that i can tell. the tps is registering the throttle movement when this happens. closed throttle reads .65volts and it will read .68 or so when i crack open the throttle and that's when it starts surging again. also the o2 sensor reads rich when this is happening ( jumps between 800-1000mv. if i give it a slight bit more the rpms pick up (1000-1200) and runs smooth) and o2 bounces between 090-900mv. i let of ant the rpms drop straight to 5 or 600. the tps voltage at WOT is 3.4 volts.
i hope this info helps someone. is it possible its the map sensor? or tps? i hate throwing parts at it. i dont really have the money for it either.

the truck is a 94 ram 1500 4x with the 318. all regular maintainace / tune up parts have been done in the last year.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 05:31 PM
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I would still suspect the TPS..... Does the voltage remain stable at small throttle openings if you hold it there?
 
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 05:38 PM
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okay so i dont know if this helps anyone or not. i just disabled the egr valve and it fixed it! i just removed the vacuum line and plugged it. now it doesn't surge anymore. it actually seems to have a bit more power taking off, all though i suppose that could be a bit of a placebo effect lol.
so does anyone know what would cause the EGR to do this? by the way the egr is also new. i replaced it when i did the intake plenum gasket and pan.
the next question is doesn't the egr help reduce ping / combustion temp ? if so what could i do to prevent it pinging if i leave the egr disabled? could i use a 180 t-sat vs the factory 195? also would running the autolite 3293's (1 heat range cooler) help? any input would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 05:40 PM
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@ heyyou i was think the tps for a while but the voltages seem normal. it registers every movement of the throttle and does so smoothly. maybe the overall voltage is low / high? also i checked the input reference voltage and its 5 volts as i believe it should be.
 
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How is the egr valve controlled? Isn't there a solenoid somewhere that the PCM controls to open it??
 
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 05:48 PM
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@ heyyou. its electrically controlled by the pcm using a solenoid on the vacuum line. i checked the voltages on the solenoid its 0 at idle. when i open the throttle it briefly reads 13.8 same as batt voltage) then dropps to 0. i dont really want to hold the throttle open too long because im sure my neighbors dont really like listing to it lol
 

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Does the voltage change coincide with engine RPM changes? (my guess is "yes"....) Wonder if the EGR valve is bad?
 
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im not sure, id have to check but cant tonight. i can see the needle on the egr move as the pcm gives the solenoid power. so i would imaging its working... do you know what conditions are required for the ecm to open the egr? im tempted to leave it disabled, unless it could harm something else?
 
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 06:00 PM
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You are correct in your assessment of what it does, but, it's mostly for emissions purposes. Cooler combustion chamber temps also allow a bit more timing advance. Try running with it disabled, see what happens. If you get excessive spark knock, may wanna consider an alternate route. May set a code as well.....

I am not entirely sure what conditions the PCM wants to open the valve..... should be in the service manual though... available here.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 06:04 PM
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okay cool. it try driving it for a while a see what happens. thank you for you help if i remember ill post back in a while and let ya know how it works out
 
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