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Old Aug 20, 2019 | 09:52 AM
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119K is close to time for the timing chain to be replaced. If it is worn, you will be low on power, the engine will run cooler than normal and the computer will go into "open loop" mode. I'll bet the heater is warm but not overly so. There was an updated tensioner put out by Ma Mopar that really wakes these puppies up. I had a '94 with the 3.9 and it did okay but when I replaced the timing chain, it had more power, the so so heater would run you out (I'm sure you don't really need a heater in the winter in Vermont. ) and the fuel mileage went from 17 to 25. There was a rattling noise coming from the timing cover before I pulled it apart. On the oil, does the engine rattle more now? I like the first generation Magnums as they are fairly tough. I've got one of the more dainty second generation 4.7's and it was run low on oil but when I cleaned the pickup and oil pan, it came right back and holds good oil pressure.
Thanks. I should have done the timing chain when I was doing the plenum, but I was in a rush and said ah I will have time to get it this spring (hard to find free time). I do here a rattle from the truck, where its coming from I have no idea. I always assumed it was the old Cat when that was in place but since I replaced that I still hear a rattle occasionally. The spark knock went away after doing the plenum.

Any ideas on the fumes? Where the Cat meets the down pipes, I was unable to weld the top of the pipes because of the tricky location. The exhaust beyond the cat is also a mess, could that be throwing the O2 sensor off making the gas smell?

On my 94 I also have the EGR tube, and I remember breaking a bolt on that so there may be an air gap in there as well. I'm just not sure how sensitive the electronics are to those things.

I think I will do compression test first, go from there and if thats good I may fix all other issues. Finally, I'm wondering if I'm just losing power through the transmission. My guess is its more engine related.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2019 | 10:29 AM
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I would be tempted to simply replace the O2 sensor.....
 
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If you're running rich, that will trip the sensor. It's what it designed to do. A timing chain rattle will sound like it's coming from under the water pump.Since you'll need to drop the oil pan to do it right, now would be a good idea to look inside and see if there's anything else loose in there. You CAN replace the timing chain without dropping the pan, but I find it's just easier to drop it rather than try to seal the cover and not have leaks.
 
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I would be tempted to simply replace the O2 sensor.....
I did that when I did the Cat, I was just wondering about exhaust leaks causing it to malfunction.
 
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Only if they are upstream from the sensor.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2019 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ol' grouch
119K is close to time for the timing chain to be replaced. If it is worn, you will be low on power, the engine will run cooler than normal and the computer will go into "open loop" mode. I'll bet the heater is warm but not overly so. There was an updated tensioner put out by Ma Mopar that really wakes these puppies up. I had a '94 with the 3.9 and it did okay but when I replaced the timing chain, it had more power, the so so heater would run you out (I'm sure you don't really need a heater in the winter in Vermont. ) and the fuel mileage went from 17 to 25. There was a rattling noise coming from the timing cover before I pulled it apart. On the oil, does the engine rattle more now? I like the first generation Magnums as they are fairly tough. I've got one of the more dainty second generation 4.7's and it was run low on oil but when I cleaned the pickup and oil pan, it came right back and holds good oil pressure.
Not meaning to hijack this thread, but these are the exact symptoms my 1997 5.2 is having. Low on power, heater is warm but not hot. The 5.2 runs smoothly, but my 2004 Z71 with 5.3 is much stronger, and gets better gas mileage. I’m unable to perform work like this due to back injuries. Does anyone have a general idea of the cost of having a timing chain replaced?
 
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Old Aug 22, 2019 | 06:31 PM
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Not meaning to hijack this thread, but these are the exact symptoms my 1997 5.2 is having. Low on power, heater is warm but not hot. The 5.2 runs smoothly, but my 2004 Z71 with 5.3 is much stronger, and gets better gas mileage. I’m unable to perform work like this due to back injuries. Does anyone have a general idea of the cost of having a timing chain replaced?
Parts are less than 100 bucks, its labor that will kill you.... Looking at 4 to 8 hours, and whatever the going rate is in your area.
 
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Parts are less than 100 bucks, its labor that will kill you.... Looking at 4 to 8 hours, and whatever the going rate is in your area.
My mechanic charges $65 per hour, so maybe it won’t be too bad. I’ve already bought new radiator hoses and a serpentine belt, is there anything else I should replace? I believe it still has the factory water pump.
 
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My mechanic charges $65 per hour, so maybe it won’t be too bad. I’ve already bought new radiator hoses and a serpentine belt, is there anything else I should replace? I believe it still has the factory water pump.

Now would be a good time to replace the water pump (it has to come off anyway) and put a fresh thermostat and coolant in it. Heater hoses would be a good idea and especially the bypass hose on top of the pump. I've cheaped out and not replaced that three times and EVERY time it blew in really cold weather.
 
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Originally Posted by ol' grouch
Now would be a good time to replace the water pump (it has to come off anyway) and put a fresh thermostat and coolant in it. Heater hoses would be a good idea and especially the bypass hose on top of the pump. I've cheaped out and not replaced that three times and EVERY time it blew in really cold weather.
Thanks for the info. I’ve looked into replacing the thermostat, and can’t believe how complicated it is. I’ll go ahead and get a water pump.
 
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