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'98 5.9 (gas) bucking and surging

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Old Jan 31, 2021 | 11:11 AM
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Recently had to diagnose a '98 1500 bucking and shaking, particularly when "lugging it" in OD. Lots of threads on this i realize. Generally these symptoms when lugging it are a misfire.

At first wasn't getting any codes at all. I knew plugs were due anyway so first I pulled all the plugs to inspect. They actually all looked great but of course I just went ahead and replaced, no sense putting old plugs back in..

Symptoms persisted and was finally able to drive it enough we got a PENDING code for a misfire on #3. At least this provided a place to focus so tested #3 plug wire and no continuity at all. Swapped on a different plug wire on #3 just to confirm and sure enough problem resolved.

So I guess the moral is keep driving and checking those pending codes. Of course no CEL was yet tripped as it was pending.

I tried to find Onboard Monitoring/Mode 6 data on this '98 using my Autel 808 but it didn't seem to exist (comes up on my Fords). If I coulda found actual misfire counts I wouldn't be at the mercy of waiting for a pending code.

I didn't find this exact tech in my searches (I very well may have just never clicked on the right search result), so hoping it helps someone. Don't rule out plug wires and keep checking pending codes. Wires should be about 12k ohms resistance, but we had NOTHING on #3 with no visible damage to wire or connectors.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2021 | 11:28 AM
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Recently had to diagnose a '98 1500 bucking and shaking, particularly when "lugging it" in OD. Lots of threads on this i realize. Generally these symptoms when lugging it are a misfire.

At first wasn't getting any codes at all. I knew plugs were due anyway so first I pulled all the plugs to inspect. They actually all looked great but of course I just went ahead and replaced, no sense putting old plugs back in..

Symptoms persisted and was finally able to drive it enough we got a PENDING code for a misfire on #3. At least this provided a place to focus so tested #3 plug wire and no continuity at all. Swapped on a different plug wire on #3 just to confirm and sure enough problem resolved.

So I guess the moral is keep driving and checking those pending codes. Of course no CEL was yet tripped as it was pending.

I tried to find Onboard Monitoring/Mode 6 data on this '98 using my Autel 808 but it didn't seem to exist (comes up on my Fords). If I coulda found actual misfire counts I wouldn't be at the mercy of waiting for a pending code.

I didn't find this exact tech in my searches (I very well may have just never clicked on the right search result), so hoping it helps someone. Don't rule out plug wires and keep checking pending codes. Wires should be about 12k ohms resistance, but we had NOTHING on #3 with no visible damage to wire or connectors.
Autel can't read Dodge misfires. Only 3 scanner brands can. That's Snap-On, OEM, and finally OTC
 
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Old Jan 31, 2021 | 11:41 AM
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Autel can't read Dodge misfires. Only 3 scanner brands can. That's Snap-On, OEM, and finally OTC
Thank you, now I know! Do you have a specific reco of a model that's not crazy expensive? I service several of these 2nd Gens so would be nice to be able to see misfire counts by cylinder
 
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Thank you, now I know! Do you have a specific reco of a model that's not crazy expensive? I service several of these 2nd Gens so would be nice to be able to see misfire counts by cylinder
Cheapest one would be a Snap On MT2500
 
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Cheapest one would be a Snap On MT2500
Which is good for vehicles up to 2006, I think.... (if you have the right cartridges/keys.)
 
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Old Jan 31, 2021 | 01:26 PM
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Which is good for vehicles up to 2006, I think.... (if you have the right cartridges/keys.)
I believe that to be correct. Haven't used one since I started using OEM DRBlll and the Chrysler Wifi tool
 
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The Snappy brick? Wow I think I actually have one of those but not sure I have the appropriate cartridge. Thanks!
 
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Old Jan 31, 2021 | 03:37 PM
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Well would ya look at that....maybe the access to those misfires was buried under my bench in a pile of creosote and abrasive dust all this time....
 
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Talk about good timing.
 
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Well, the brick powers on with the OBD2 port (and appropriate Snap On adapter of course) but after entering vehicle details it just says no communication with vehicle even with key on. Tried several times

So.....not sure what to do with that.
 
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