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Old Oct 27, 2023 | 07:50 PM
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As the title states, I somehow managed to get porcelain debris from a cracked spark plug (last time I buy NGK...) into my #2 cylinder. Does anyone have a recommendation for getting it removed besides taking off the head or is that my best bet? Unfortunately, this engine is practically new from Frasier engines, and I really want to avoid ripping off the head and removing the gasket when it's in otherwise great condition. I tried taping a plastic straw to my shop vac but couldn't maneuver it close enough to the debris to do anything good, and I taped up the end a long, thin poking tool but with the same result. I could manually crank the engine over to get #2 to TDC but could that possibly damaged the lining of the cylinder chamber?

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Compressed air party in the cylinder.

could also try laking an offset tool and rotate it into place with some grease on end instead of tape.

theres no set way to do it. Crappy luck on a new engine.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2023 | 08:08 PM
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On 3V Fords they just fire it up with plug removed and hope it blows out
 
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Compressed air party in the cylinder.

could also try laking an offset tool and rotate it into place with some grease on end instead of tape.

theres no set way to do it. Crappy luck on a new engine.
Should I try to hand crank the engine to ensure the valves are closed or just go to town with the compressed air?

This entire build has been crappy luck haha. I've been troubleshooting a ghost in the machine the last year so I decided to take everything apart and systematically test every component, and then this nonsense happens.
 
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Should I try to hand crank the engine to ensure the valves are closed or just go to town with the compressed air?

This entire build has been crappy luck haha. I've been troubleshooting a ghost in the machine the last year so I decided to take everything apart and systematically test every component, and then this nonsense happens.
ive never dont that myself but id think gravity and the air would just make anythng fall back in. If it goes out an exhaust valve, not so bad.

Hard to say and i dont want to give bad advice.
 
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Also, if your gaskets are that new, they'd probably survive but the problem is you're supposed to use new head bolts every time.
 
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Also, if your gaskets are that new, they'd probably survive but the problem is you're supposed to use new head bolts every time.
It was my understanding that the head bolts on these 5.9s aren't torque to yield, so re-usable, but that the intake manifold bolts are TTY. Am I mistaken?
 
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It was my understanding that the head bolts on these 5.9s aren't torque to yield, so re-usable, but that the intake manifold bolts are TTY. Am I mistaken?
You could be right but id look into it. I did an intake kit and i dont remember it coming with those bolts, just the ones for the plenum.
 
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And my kit came with everything from thermostat to bypass hose iirc.
 
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Originally Posted by latkelarry
Good evening all,

As the title states, I somehow managed to get porcelain debris from a cracked spark plug (last time I buy NGK...) into my #2 cylinder. Does anyone have a recommendation for getting it removed besides taking off the head or is that my best bet? Unfortunately, this engine is practically new from Frasier engines, and I really want to avoid ripping off the head and removing the gasket when it's in otherwise great condition. I tried taping a plastic straw to my shop vac but couldn't maneuver it close enough to the debris to do anything good, and I taped up the end a long, thin poking tool but with the same result. I could manually crank the engine over to get #2 to TDC but could that possibly damaged the lining of the cylinder chamber?

Thanks!

I did this once on a flat head six, nothing like our truck engines. I would rotate the engine by hand until #2 is at the bottom of the stroke. Then hook a shop vac up to a small hose. Like a fuel line or slightly smaller. With the vacuum running. Gently slid the hose down the bore. A good vacuum MIGHT hold it against the hose until you can withdraw it. Figure on doing this many times until you can get it out.

Beyond that, rotate by hand until #2 exhaust valve is open and blow air into the plug hole. The problem here is if the valve clamps it against the top of the piston. I would pull the cylinder head as a last resort.
 
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