2nd Gen Ram Tech 1994-2001 Rams: This section is for TECHNICAL discussions only, that involve the 1994 through 2001 Rams. For any non-tech discussions, please direct your attention to the "General discussion/NON-tech" sub sections.

Starter won't turn over or click

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 08:33 AM
  #11  
steveonmars's Avatar
steveonmars
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

I'll test the yellow wire in a little while, I have to get a little work done before I can work on that. I already replaced the ignition switch. Wouldn't the fix for no power to the yellow wire be to replace the ignition switch? What else could cause that if I don't have power to the yellow wire? I'm just trying to plan ahead a little by asking, it just seems the new switch would have fixed that problem already.
 
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 08:38 AM
  #12  
steveonmars's Avatar
steveonmars
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by HeikIlm
85 is ground, and 87 goes to starter so it has power only when the relay connects it to a terminal 30. You can test the ground by placing the test light between the battery positive and 85 on the relay socket.

You could also use jumper wire to rule out most of the parts. Remove relay and place a wire to the terminal 86, and push relay back to socket. Place the wire to the battery positive. If all is good, starter should turn, so the issue lies between the relay and the ignition switch.

Thanks, I'll test the ground on 85 and then try the wire to the battery. It'll be about an hour or so before I can do that but I'll post my results as soon as I can.
 
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 08:40 AM
  #13  
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou
Administrator
Veteran: Air Force
Community Favorite
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 87,416
Likes: 4,214
From: Clayton MI
Default

The trick is, to find out WHERE you are losing power. There is a jumper in that yellow wire for what on a manual trans truck, would be the clutch switch. Maybe that fell out?
 
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 08:45 AM
  #14  
steveonmars's Avatar
steveonmars
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by HeyYou
The trick is, to find out WHERE you are losing power. There is a jumper in that yellow wire for what on a manual trans truck, would be the clutch switch. Maybe that fell out?


Where do I look for it?

I'll try all of this stuff in about an hour and post my results as soon as I can. I need to get a little work done first but I really appreciate all the help. Thank you
 
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 08:48 AM
  #15  
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou
Administrator
Veteran: Air Force
Community Favorite
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 87,416
Likes: 4,214
From: Clayton MI
Default

It'll be under the dash area, near the pedal hangar.
 
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 09:10 AM
  #16  
steveonmars's Avatar
steveonmars
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by HeyYou
It'll be under the dash area, near the pedal hangar.

Thanks I have an OBD II tester, is it worth trying that? I didn't try it because I've been disconnecting the battery so I thought the codes would've been reset. Plus I don't know if it'll even work if I can't start the truck, it's been a while since I used it so I don't remember.
 
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 09:44 AM
  #17  
steveonmars's Avatar
steveonmars
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by HeikIlm
85 is ground, and 87 goes to starter so it has power only when the relay connects it to a terminal 30. You can test the ground by placing the test light between the battery positive and 85 on the relay socket.

You could also use jumper wire to rule out most of the parts. Remove relay and place a wire to the terminal 86, and push relay back to socket. Place the wire to the battery positive. If all is good, starter should turn, so the issue lies between the relay and the ignition switch.

I jumped the relay from 86 to the battery and the truck started right up! Now I know the starter is good and I'm not getting power to the relay box. I also had power to the yellow wire from the ignition switch when I turned the key but I don't see a jumper. I don't know what I'm looking for and there's a lot of yellow wires down there, a lot of I can't really see all of them.

I found a mess of wires under the dash when I removed the plastic cover under the steering column so I'm going to try tracing all these wires that look like they were added. There's a box that dropped down that says keyless entry module that doesn't look stock. I bought the truck used about 6 years ago and never had a key fob. There's also what looks like a speaker mounted near the floor behind the brake pedal that also doesn't look stock and it looks like the wires to it were cut and they're just hanging. I'm going to try to add pictures, maybe someone can tell me if all of these wires connected together in the first picture are normal or if something was added.

Thank you!







 
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 11:16 AM
  #18  
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou
Administrator
Veteran: Air Force
Community Favorite
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 87,416
Likes: 4,214
From: Clayton MI
Default

Yeah, that's aftermarket..... The jumper *should* just be a wire across a two pin connector. It may be taped to something else though, making it fun to find.
 
Reply
Old Aug 26, 2024 | 12:31 PM
  #19  
steveonmars's Avatar
steveonmars
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Default

I was going through all those wires trying to figure out what they all went to and get them cleaned up. I reached up and turned the key once in a while and all of a sudden the truck started right up. It looks like I have a bad connection or broken wire somewhere in that mess. I'm going to leave the wire in the starter relay for now so if it won't start again at least I won't get stranded, I can just jump the relay again. Hopefully I'll be able to find the right wire in that mess and fix it permanently.

Thanks a lot for all the help from everyone, I really appreciate the time you took to answer my questions and help.
 
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:00 AM.