Boosting question...
yea think of it like when you told me about my long travel for my 06..."too expensive, just buy a ranger" just constructive crit....
although my front control arms are almost done....wasnt expensive at all.
although my front control arms are almost done....wasnt expensive at all.
Hmm, I suppose I should say something here. After building multiple race engines, I can safely say that beer is good...very good, however does not make up for intellegent "buddies" who could help with an engine build, and custom fitted turbocharged setup. Now granted, for me and my car, all I need is my garage and beer to remove, rebuild, and reinstall any component on my car. This includes complete engine tear down and assembly. I have gone as far as dropping a race engine back in the car... dead of winter (Colorado)... in an unheated garage. Just so you know, it sucked really bad.
All I'm saying is that understanding basic mechanics is all fine and good. However, engine assembly is a little more complex. Verifying clearances, material considerations, application, and everything associated with them is quite critical if one wishes to build an engine once.
Here is a perfect example: I set my ring gap @ .0150" - .0160" in my engine. Piston to cylinderwall clearance is around .007". For my turbocharged application, and forged aluminum pistons, this is critical. Yet, most V-8 N/A engine builders would vomit at .0160" ring gap, .007" P:to:CW, and start throwing ball joint seperators at the machinist. Other aspects like: head gasket choice, is critical as well (depending on the application). Then, there is tuning compensation, component choice, break-in proceedure, dyno-time, etc.
Frenchy, please don't take this the wrong way but, do you have any experience in engine assembly? If not, then it would'nt be that much more (cost considerations) to have the machine shop assemble the major components after the machining has been completed. Afterall, they will clean-hone to the pistons you provide, and can assemble the bottom end, set cam timing, stab the heads back on, etc. You could definately handle the rest. Or, if you have that handfull of boosted buddies, maybe they can help with the engine assembly. I'm not saying you are not capable or smart enough to build an engine, just suggesting a course of action. Based on your history, I'm sure you are very capable of learning at an accelerated pace.
...not trying to cause an argument, just speaking from experience. Afterall, you (hopefully) will be the first 3G turbo'd Dak. When it's all said and done, we all expect dyno videos, track videos, install videos, etc. Just think, the next "chipped eclipse" that comes by might drop a duesen in their pants when you sound like Tim Lynch screaming by.
All I'm saying is that understanding basic mechanics is all fine and good. However, engine assembly is a little more complex. Verifying clearances, material considerations, application, and everything associated with them is quite critical if one wishes to build an engine once.
Here is a perfect example: I set my ring gap @ .0150" - .0160" in my engine. Piston to cylinderwall clearance is around .007". For my turbocharged application, and forged aluminum pistons, this is critical. Yet, most V-8 N/A engine builders would vomit at .0160" ring gap, .007" P:to:CW, and start throwing ball joint seperators at the machinist. Other aspects like: head gasket choice, is critical as well (depending on the application). Then, there is tuning compensation, component choice, break-in proceedure, dyno-time, etc.
Frenchy, please don't take this the wrong way but, do you have any experience in engine assembly? If not, then it would'nt be that much more (cost considerations) to have the machine shop assemble the major components after the machining has been completed. Afterall, they will clean-hone to the pistons you provide, and can assemble the bottom end, set cam timing, stab the heads back on, etc. You could definately handle the rest. Or, if you have that handfull of boosted buddies, maybe they can help with the engine assembly. I'm not saying you are not capable or smart enough to build an engine, just suggesting a course of action. Based on your history, I'm sure you are very capable of learning at an accelerated pace.
...not trying to cause an argument, just speaking from experience. Afterall, you (hopefully) will be the first 3G turbo'd Dak. When it's all said and done, we all expect dyno videos, track videos, install videos, etc. Just think, the next "chipped eclipse" that comes by might drop a duesen in their pants when you sound like Tim Lynch screaming by.
Last edited by donkeypunch; Aug 27, 2009 at 02:16 PM.
Frenchy, please don't take this the wrong way but, do you have any experience in engine assembly? If not, then it would'nt be that much more (cost considerations) to have the machine shop assemble the major components after the machining has been completed. Afterall, they will clean-hone to the pistons you provide, and can assemble the bottom end, set cam timing, stab the heads back on, etc. You could definately handle the rest. Or, if you have that handfull of boosted buddies, maybe they can help with the engine assembly. I'm not saying you are not capable or smart enough to build an engine, just suggesting a course of action. Based on your history, I'm sure you are very capable of learning at an accelerated pace.
...not trying to cause an argument, just speaking from experience. Afterall, you (hopefully) will be the first 3G turbo'd Dak. When it's all said and done, we all expect dyno videos, track videos, install videos, etc. Just think, the next "chipped eclipse" that comes by might drop a duesen in their pants when you sound like Tim Lynch screaming by.
...not trying to cause an argument, just speaking from experience. Afterall, you (hopefully) will be the first 3G turbo'd Dak. When it's all said and done, we all expect dyno videos, track videos, install videos, etc. Just think, the next "chipped eclipse" that comes by might drop a duesen in their pants when you sound like Tim Lynch screaming by.
However, my best friend, and his dad, have engine hoists, engine stands, and his dad has a rebuilt 440 in a Challenger, pushing out over 600hp...
Did all the work himself... I'd go to him for the majority of the build... and since he's my best friend, I'm sure he, and his dad, could either help me along the way, or do it themselves...
His dad has rebuilt motors for 30+ years... he works on semis and like I said, his Challenger, as well as a 440 in a Charger, and a huge friggin motor in a 1959 Ford truck...
Now, I'd have him do the crankshaft, pistons, rods, cams, and everything inside the motor...
Then my boosted buddies could come over and help me out with the rest...
I've got at least 20 friends who are willing to help me out...
Most of them have taken at least three years at my college in auto mechanics...
...donkey, you think a 8.5:1 compression ratio would be a wise choice?
Or stick with a stock compression?
I don't want it to be gutless til the turbo spools...
I think that's why I'm plannin on going with the 224 cams, they say they allow the turbo to spool sooner...
Last edited by Frenchy; Aug 27, 2009 at 02:36 PM.
I meant geese.
That's just my perception from seeing his posts and what not on here.


