CUMMINS TURBO DIESEL???
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no Agriculture diesel is more used oil than highway diesel...the sulfur content is alot higher in the Ag Diesel than the Highway diesel...but the question still remains why are we arguing over apples and oranges? Diesel is diesel and it all goes into your tank and produces that same beautiful smelling aroma belched forth from the exhaust pipes...
If you do alot of pulling by a diesel if not go with a gasser...if something breaks on a diesel more likely than not it more expensive to fix it...
If you do alot of pulling by a diesel if not go with a gasser...if something breaks on a diesel more likely than not it more expensive to fix it...
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ORIGINAL: Caisson06
Yes, but most are only designed to work with an automatic transmission. They usually are programmed to crank after the wait light turns off. IF they're built right, they'll protect your engine from low oil pressure by shutting down after so long without the pressure coming up.
ORIGINAL: NYPANAMA42
Can a diesel truck be started with a "REMOTE STARTER"?
Can a diesel truck be started with a "REMOTE STARTER"?
Hey Caisson06, thanks. I guess if i ever decided to get a diesel, and have a remote starter added, i'll let the dealership take care of it.
Thanks again for the info.
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ORIGINAL: Caisson06
***Businessmen want their trucks to last along time and/or have a better resale value.
Speaking of resale value, with a similarly configured diesel and gasoline powered 3/4 ton truck (I used MY 1999) $11580 Good Condition Diesel on KBB. $7490 for the same pickup with a 5.9 L 360 gas motor. That's a $4000 difference. In seven years, the truck with the diesel ($5000 option) lost ONLY $890 more than the gas truck. I guestimated original values at $35 and $30 thousand. Mileage was 83,000, the average according to kbb.com. Based onmy figures there is a 9% difference in value loss in favor of the diesel, mostly a function of diesel engine longevity. My figures may be high, or low, I can't say. Factor in lower fuel costs (as long as the fuel price doesn't offset the 20-30% increase in fuel economy) and over the long haul, regardless of whether you just use it as a daily driver or for towing, unless your daily driving is just short driving in the city, a diesel is worth the cost, at least for 07 and older (add $2000 for the 6.7L for all the emissions crap) or buying used.
35,000-11580=23,420 (66% value loss)
30,000-7490=22,510 (75% value loss)
***Businessmen want their trucks to last along time and/or have a better resale value.
Speaking of resale value, with a similarly configured diesel and gasoline powered 3/4 ton truck (I used MY 1999) $11580 Good Condition Diesel on KBB. $7490 for the same pickup with a 5.9 L 360 gas motor. That's a $4000 difference. In seven years, the truck with the diesel ($5000 option) lost ONLY $890 more than the gas truck. I guestimated original values at $35 and $30 thousand. Mileage was 83,000, the average according to kbb.com. Based onmy figures there is a 9% difference in value loss in favor of the diesel, mostly a function of diesel engine longevity. My figures may be high, or low, I can't say. Factor in lower fuel costs (as long as the fuel price doesn't offset the 20-30% increase in fuel economy) and over the long haul, regardless of whether you just use it as a daily driver or for towing, unless your daily driving is just short driving in the city, a diesel is worth the cost, at least for 07 and older (add $2000 for the 6.7L for all the emissions crap) or buying used.
35,000-11580=23,420 (66% value loss)
30,000-7490=22,510 (75% value loss)
Talk to ANY CTD guy and they will tell you the engine isn't even "Broke in" until it passes 100,000 miles..... Most don't even see good gas milage until then.... Hemi at 100,000 well it's probabily time for a tune up....
The reason OTR trucks (Big Rigs) use Diesel's is not JUST because they have awesome torque..... a million miles on a Diesel....well that is not as uncommon as you might think.....
(Estimated: Average trucker.... 500 miles a day.... 5 days a week... 2,500 miles a week... X 48 weeks (4 weeks off) 120,000 miles a year.... X 9 years.... 1,080,000..... I know ALOT of trucks out there that are well over 10 years old.... and i'm sure most truckers drive more than 500 miles a day (average).....) Try pulling those numbers on a Gas Engine?!?!
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One other question, what about the noise? There are times when stopped at a red signal, where there's Diesel truck next to me you can hardly hold a conversation if the windows are open because of the noise.
Does the driver also hear that noise? Or does he not hear it, because his windows are closed?
Are they planning a quieter Diesel engine?....You have to admit, that loud clanking noise could become annoying after a while.
Does the driver also hear that noise? Or does he not hear it, because his windows are closed?
Are they planning a quieter Diesel engine?....You have to admit, that loud clanking noise could become annoying after a while.
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ORIGINAL: TANKZ400
That's crazy i'm only geting 15 high way with my truck and i'm running like 2000-2100 rpm's that's like 70 on cruise what are you diong
ORIGINAL: cyclone429
The cummins is more truck at a higher price than most people really need from going to point A to B empty.
Check arround for prices of gas and diesel flue, with summer rolling arround and all the 5th wheel wagon trains behind diesel trucks, diesel flue is going to be = in price to gas.
Thiers no point in buying a more expensive truck ifyour not going to use the extra perks that come with it.
Resale is a crock of Sh...., if your worried abought that, than don't buy any new truck, the more expensive the price, the quicker it is going to depreacate, Hemi or cummins, it's dumb to spend a extra 7 grand up front to think your truck is going to be worth more down the road, when 7 Grand can pay off your hemi quicker.
Up keep, coolant, maintance, oil changes ect is going to be = or less than a gaser once you facter in that Dodge want's you to replace the pulgs in the hemi every two years and that the glow plugs in a cummins can last the life time of the engine.
It's not a question of which is better, but which better suites your needs.
Diesel flue is more dense tha gas and compresse's at a lower RPM with more kenitic energy, that's why thier a better work horse over the long haul.
Empty, I would wager the Hemi and Cummins are pretty close in mileage, I have yet to hear any one say thier getting 22 mpg empty on the highway with a cummins, I'm dam closde to 22mpg in my reg cab 2500 4x4 hemi 6sp..
The cummins is more truck at a higher price than most people really need from going to point A to B empty.
Check arround for prices of gas and diesel flue, with summer rolling arround and all the 5th wheel wagon trains behind diesel trucks, diesel flue is going to be = in price to gas.
Thiers no point in buying a more expensive truck ifyour not going to use the extra perks that come with it.
Resale is a crock of Sh...., if your worried abought that, than don't buy any new truck, the more expensive the price, the quicker it is going to depreacate, Hemi or cummins, it's dumb to spend a extra 7 grand up front to think your truck is going to be worth more down the road, when 7 Grand can pay off your hemi quicker.
Up keep, coolant, maintance, oil changes ect is going to be = or less than a gaser once you facter in that Dodge want's you to replace the pulgs in the hemi every two years and that the glow plugs in a cummins can last the life time of the engine.
It's not a question of which is better, but which better suites your needs.
Diesel flue is more dense tha gas and compresse's at a lower RPM with more kenitic energy, that's why thier a better work horse over the long haul.
Empty, I would wager the Hemi and Cummins are pretty close in mileage, I have yet to hear any one say thier getting 22 mpg empty on the highway with a cummins, I'm dam closde to 22mpg in my reg cab 2500 4x4 hemi 6sp..
That's crazy i'm only geting 15 high way with my truck and i'm running like 2000-2100 rpm's that's like 70 on cruise what are you diong
Reg cab 2500 4x4 5.7 six speed, 373 ltd slip. at 60 mph rpm is abought 1800 Rpm, in 6th gear with cruse on, flat highway, dual ex and a topper only mods, over 60 mph and mileage is sucky.
If this engine was in a mega cab, than any perks of driving a reg cab are gone, CTD is better.
the older CTDwere niosey, not the new CTD,
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RE: CUMMINS TURBO DIESEL???
ORIGINAL: NYPANAMA42
Know one has chimed in on the noise..Is the diesel truck just loud period?
Know one has chimed in on the noise..Is the diesel truck just loud period?
6 INCH EXHAUST WITH NO MUFFLER'S OR CAT'S THAT WILL MAKE IT SOUND GOOD
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ORIGINAL: Hemiriden
Another wonderful fact about Diesel...... They last FOREVER!
Talk to ANY CTD guy and they will tell you the engine isn't even "Broke in" until it passes 100,000 miles..... Most don't even see good gas milage until then.... Hemi at 100,000 well it's probabily time for a tune up....
The reason OTR trucks (Big Rigs) use Diesel's is not JUST because they have awesome torque..... a million miles on a Diesel....well that is not as uncommon as you might think.....
(Estimated: Average trucker.... 500 miles a day.... 5 days a week... 2,500 miles a week... X 48 weeks (4 weeks off) 120,000 miles a year.... X 9 years.... 1,080,000..... I know ALOT of trucks out there that are well over 10 years old.... and i'm sure most truckers drive more than 500 miles a day (average).....) Try pulling those numbers on a Gas Engine?!?!
Another wonderful fact about Diesel...... They last FOREVER!
Talk to ANY CTD guy and they will tell you the engine isn't even "Broke in" until it passes 100,000 miles..... Most don't even see good gas milage until then.... Hemi at 100,000 well it's probabily time for a tune up....
The reason OTR trucks (Big Rigs) use Diesel's is not JUST because they have awesome torque..... a million miles on a Diesel....well that is not as uncommon as you might think.....
(Estimated: Average trucker.... 500 miles a day.... 5 days a week... 2,500 miles a week... X 48 weeks (4 weeks off) 120,000 miles a year.... X 9 years.... 1,080,000..... I know ALOT of trucks out there that are well over 10 years old.... and i'm sure most truckers drive more than 500 miles a day (average).....) Try pulling those numbers on a Gas Engine?!?!
When they use 100,000 as the "broken in" time, that's just diesel dog exaggeration. It's not completely false, though. Anything under 100k is still relatively cherry in diesel engine world. When I was running fertilizer tenders, 200 mile days were the norm, and we spent a lot of time idling, waiting for the spreaders.
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ORIGINAL: TANKZ400
YES THEY ARE LOUD PERIOD EXCEPT THE NEW 6.7 THEY KEEP MAKING THEM QUITER BUT THAT'S A PART OF HAVING A DEISEL
6 INCH EXHAUST WITH NO MUFFLER'S OR CAT'S THAT WILL MAKE IT SOUND GOOD
ORIGINAL: NYPANAMA42
Know one has chimed in on the noise..Is the diesel truck just loud period?
Know one has chimed in on the noise..Is the diesel truck just loud period?
6 INCH EXHAUST WITH NO MUFFLER'S OR CAT'S THAT WILL MAKE IT SOUND GOOD