There's no replacement for displacement!
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05-02-2008 | 11:23 AM
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05-02-2008 | 11:57 AM
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RE: There's no replacement for displacement!
ORIGINAL: litljay
This is a daily driver, guys so I can't go quite as whacko as derrick wants me to (otherwise I would use a crate hemi 528 :-P).
I don't care about the weight of the 3/4 ton. I care about the sticker. I don't need the capacity or want the price of a 2500 or 3500.
I'm not worried about the warranty either. First, how are the dealer monkeys going to know that the engine is modified unless they tear it apart and start measuring? Even if they do know, they have to prove that the modifications caused the failure (whatever it may be) before they can consider the warranty void. Before that law was passed we saw a lot of crooked dealers blaming failed alternators on someone's kraco radio or bad cats on the dual exhaust.
J
This is a daily driver, guys so I can't go quite as whacko as derrick wants me to (otherwise I would use a crate hemi 528 :-P).
I don't care about the weight of the 3/4 ton. I care about the sticker. I don't need the capacity or want the price of a 2500 or 3500.
I'm not worried about the warranty either. First, how are the dealer monkeys going to know that the engine is modified unless they tear it apart and start measuring? Even if they do know, they have to prove that the modifications caused the failure (whatever it may be) before they can consider the warranty void. Before that law was passed we saw a lot of crooked dealers blaming failed alternators on someone's kraco radio or bad cats on the dual exhaust.
J
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05-06-2008 | 11:41 AM
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RE: There's no replacement for displacement!
Guys, I"m not a street rod kinda person. I'm thinking more along the lines of daily driver + weekend trail capability. I'm looking pretty closely at a 4x4 that a local dealer managed to track down for me. Manual tranny + SLT package + 4x4 is a winning combo for me. I just would like more gusto than the 4.7 offers. I also want locking axles front and rear, but to protect that valuable lifetime powertrain warranty I would have to trust the dealer monkeys to do the install. Along those lines:
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True, but a good mechanic wouldn't be working at a dealership. No offense to any dealer mechanics on the forum, but I have found this rule to be UNIVERSALLY true. Dealer mechanics are paid based on the billable hours for each repair they perform, so the thing they are best at is "finding" problems with your truck that were never there, doing nothing but claiming to have done the repair, then cashing in on it. A local dealership once "replaced" a friend's camshaft, but after he got his rig back he discovered that the radiator had not been removed. Imagine that! A bendable camshaft! I personally went through numerous experiences with dealer monkeys with my '96 Ram and EVERY SINGLE time had headaches and problems. They either returned the truck with more problems than I gave it to them with, or they totally botched the repair, or something. Once I even caught them sabotaging my truck so that I would have to bring it back in. They improperly tightened the plenum pan bolts. This caused a plenum gasket leak that is a common repair, which they assumed wouldn't be questioned because it is so common. After that I just did all of the repairs myself and got the parts reimbursed on warranty. I didn't want dealer monkeys to touch my truck again.
I'm sure that this post will be considered inflammatory and will spark considerable debate, but don't count on me retracting my statements. I can't remember ever having a good experience at a dealer service department and my opinion won't change until I do. Then again, with a new truck on my hands the dealers may have new opportunitues to change my mind depending on how the truck holds up, but I don't have my hopes up. The system is broken and hasn't been fixed.
Interesting factoid on the subject: Did you know that the valuable 5-star rating requires (don't quote me on exact figures) 90-something percent customer satisfaction in sales and only 50-something percent satisfaction in service? Where do you think DC's priorities lie? A 5-star rating carries no weight with me, that's for sure.
As you can see, I have a high opinion of Dodge trucks, but not Dodge dealerships.
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J
A good mechanic will know if the engine internals are modified without tearing it apart, all you have to do is listen too it run.
True, but a good mechanic wouldn't be working at a dealership. No offense to any dealer mechanics on the forum, but I have found this rule to be UNIVERSALLY true. Dealer mechanics are paid based on the billable hours for each repair they perform, so the thing they are best at is "finding" problems with your truck that were never there, doing nothing but claiming to have done the repair, then cashing in on it. A local dealership once "replaced" a friend's camshaft, but after he got his rig back he discovered that the radiator had not been removed. Imagine that! A bendable camshaft! I personally went through numerous experiences with dealer monkeys with my '96 Ram and EVERY SINGLE time had headaches and problems. They either returned the truck with more problems than I gave it to them with, or they totally botched the repair, or something. Once I even caught them sabotaging my truck so that I would have to bring it back in. They improperly tightened the plenum pan bolts. This caused a plenum gasket leak that is a common repair, which they assumed wouldn't be questioned because it is so common. After that I just did all of the repairs myself and got the parts reimbursed on warranty. I didn't want dealer monkeys to touch my truck again.
I'm sure that this post will be considered inflammatory and will spark considerable debate, but don't count on me retracting my statements. I can't remember ever having a good experience at a dealer service department and my opinion won't change until I do. Then again, with a new truck on my hands the dealers may have new opportunitues to change my mind depending on how the truck holds up, but I don't have my hopes up. The system is broken and hasn't been fixed.
Interesting factoid on the subject: Did you know that the valuable 5-star rating requires (don't quote me on exact figures) 90-something percent customer satisfaction in sales and only 50-something percent satisfaction in service? Where do you think DC's priorities lie? A 5-star rating carries no weight with me, that's for sure.
As you can see, I have a high opinion of Dodge trucks, but not Dodge dealerships.
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J
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05-06-2008 | 08:18 PM
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RE: There's no replacement for displacement!
ORIGINAL: litljay
Guys, I"m not a street rod kinda person. I'm thinking more along the lines of daily driver + weekend trail capability. I'm looking pretty closely at a 4x4 that a local dealer managed to track down for me. Manual tranny + SLT package + 4x4 is a winning combo for me. I just would like more gusto than the 4.7 offers. I also want locking axles front and rear, but to protect that valuable lifetime powertrain warranty I would have to trust the dealer monkeys to do the install. Along those lines:
[rant]
True, but a good mechanic wouldn't be working at a dealership. No offense to any dealer mechanics on the forum, but I have found this rule to be UNIVERSALLY true. Dealer mechanics are paid based on the billable hours for each repair they perform, so the thing they are best at is "finding" problems with your truck that were never there, doing nothing but claiming to have done the repair, then cashing in on it. A local dealership once "replaced" a friend's camshaft, but after he got his rig back he discovered that the radiator had not been removed. Imagine that! A bendable camshaft! I personally went through numerous experiences with dealer monkeys with my '96 Ram and EVERY SINGLE time had headaches and problems. They either returned the truck with more problems than I gave it to them with, or they totally botched the repair, or something. Once I even caught them sabotaging my truck so that I would have to bring it back in. They improperly tightened the plenum pan bolts. This caused a plenum gasket leak that is a common repair, which they assumed wouldn't be questioned because it is so common. After that I just did all of the repairs myself and got the parts reimbursed on warranty. I didn't want dealer monkeys to touch my truck again.
I'm sure that this post will be considered inflammatory and will spark considerable debate, but don't count on me retracting my statements. I can't remember ever having a good experience at a dealer service department and my opinion won't change until I do. Then again, with a new truck on my hands the dealers may have new opportunitues to change my mind depending on how the truck holds up, but I don't have my hopes up. The system is broken and hasn't been fixed.
Interesting factoid on the subject: Did you know that the valuable 5-star rating requires (don't quote me on exact figures) 90-something percent customer satisfaction in sales and only 50-something percent satisfaction in service? Where do you think DC's priorities lie? A 5-star rating carries no weight with me, that's for sure.
As you can see, I have a high opinion of Dodge trucks, but not Dodge dealerships.
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J
Guys, I"m not a street rod kinda person. I'm thinking more along the lines of daily driver + weekend trail capability. I'm looking pretty closely at a 4x4 that a local dealer managed to track down for me. Manual tranny + SLT package + 4x4 is a winning combo for me. I just would like more gusto than the 4.7 offers. I also want locking axles front and rear, but to protect that valuable lifetime powertrain warranty I would have to trust the dealer monkeys to do the install. Along those lines:
A good mechanic will know if the engine internals are modified without tearing it apart, all you have to do is listen too it run.
True, but a good mechanic wouldn't be working at a dealership. No offense to any dealer mechanics on the forum, but I have found this rule to be UNIVERSALLY true. Dealer mechanics are paid based on the billable hours for each repair they perform, so the thing they are best at is "finding" problems with your truck that were never there, doing nothing but claiming to have done the repair, then cashing in on it. A local dealership once "replaced" a friend's camshaft, but after he got his rig back he discovered that the radiator had not been removed. Imagine that! A bendable camshaft! I personally went through numerous experiences with dealer monkeys with my '96 Ram and EVERY SINGLE time had headaches and problems. They either returned the truck with more problems than I gave it to them with, or they totally botched the repair, or something. Once I even caught them sabotaging my truck so that I would have to bring it back in. They improperly tightened the plenum pan bolts. This caused a plenum gasket leak that is a common repair, which they assumed wouldn't be questioned because it is so common. After that I just did all of the repairs myself and got the parts reimbursed on warranty. I didn't want dealer monkeys to touch my truck again.
I'm sure that this post will be considered inflammatory and will spark considerable debate, but don't count on me retracting my statements. I can't remember ever having a good experience at a dealer service department and my opinion won't change until I do. Then again, with a new truck on my hands the dealers may have new opportunitues to change my mind depending on how the truck holds up, but I don't have my hopes up. The system is broken and hasn't been fixed.
Interesting factoid on the subject: Did you know that the valuable 5-star rating requires (don't quote me on exact figures) 90-something percent customer satisfaction in sales and only 50-something percent satisfaction in service? Where do you think DC's priorities lie? A 5-star rating carries no weight with me, that's for sure.
As you can see, I have a high opinion of Dodge trucks, but not Dodge dealerships.
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J
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05-06-2008 | 09:37 PM
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RE: There's no replacement for displacement!
If you do end up going with the 2500, why not get the Cummins along with it? I wouldnt reccomend getting an 07+, emissions BS, but an 06 cummins with the 6 speed, you can get a hell of alot more power out of it, better fuel economy, and they are much more dependable.
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05-06-2008 | 11:36 PM
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RE: There's no replacement for displacement!
ORIGINAL: Az2500Cummins08
If you do end up going with the 2500, why not get the Cummins along with it? I wouldnt reccomend getting an 07+, emissions BS, but an 06 cummins with the 6 speed, you can get a hell of alot more power out of it, better fuel economy, and they are much more dependable.
If you do end up going with the 2500, why not get the Cummins along with it? I wouldnt reccomend getting an 07+, emissions BS, but an 06 cummins with the 6 speed, you can get a hell of alot more power out of it, better fuel economy, and they are much more dependable.