Hemi vs SS
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I wouldn't go that far, the Lightning and the SRT-10 are in a league of their own. I'd put the SS in the same group as the hemi since the SS is putting out similar numbers to the hemi as far as power goes. The "1st gen" hemi is putting out 345hp/375lb-ft torque while the SS is putting out 345hp/380lb-ft torque.
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I remember that article mentioned earlier int his thread that Car and Driver did the ram vs. ss comparison. And it did a pretty good job at testing and the HEMI did well against the SS in every test. I think the maint hing that alot of people miss is the torque management system, you cant get the feeling of 345 Hp empty... not with stock tuning. Therefore in a test with an unrestricted SS and a "managed" HEMI, the HEMI comes out on top when you take away the restriction. I know with the addition of the diablo 93 octane tune that my truck now runs like a scalded ape. I would say in a race between a stock SS and a tuned HEMI single cab, the HEMI has the upper hand and would probly win if he got a good hookup.
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One of my friends has an SS for his work truck. He manages the local airport and rebuilds planes and organizes the crop dusting for the airport. He constantly pulls with his and he says its one of the best pullers he's had! (for a half ton) His is AWD.
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You are slightly incorrect here. The SS Silverado uses an iron cast block of the LS2, which was only available in the GTO and Corvette in the USA. The Camaro only used the LS1 in its final years.
Also, the engine produces essentially identical numbers to the Hemi up until the 2010 model, as it went with 345hp/380ftlbs... As of 2007, the Sierra Denali (GMC's version of the SS so to speak) is the only half ton pickup that has a 6.2 liter with 403 hp (301 kW) and 417 lb·ft (565 N·m) of torque coupled to a six speed transmission. This truck is also an optional all wheel drive vehicle and goes 0-60 mph in 6.3 seconds.
So while the truck was never intended for "hauling" as you say, it was fully equiped to perform and be used as a daily truck. If anything, it was the best combination of performance and utility of any of the "Big 3" performance trucks, as you could at least still truly use this truck at work.
Say what you want, but GM builds some nice trucks...
Also, the engine produces essentially identical numbers to the Hemi up until the 2010 model, as it went with 345hp/380ftlbs... As of 2007, the Sierra Denali (GMC's version of the SS so to speak) is the only half ton pickup that has a 6.2 liter with 403 hp (301 kW) and 417 lb·ft (565 N·m) of torque coupled to a six speed transmission. This truck is also an optional all wheel drive vehicle and goes 0-60 mph in 6.3 seconds.
So while the truck was never intended for "hauling" as you say, it was fully equiped to perform and be used as a daily truck. If anything, it was the best combination of performance and utility of any of the "Big 3" performance trucks, as you could at least still truly use this truck at work.
Say what you want, but GM builds some nice trucks...
The SS as I see it against an SRT-10 and Lightning isn't really fair. Dodge used the complete straiped-*** ape engine from the Viper. And the Lightning has FI. Now had GM put an LS6 or LS7 in the Silverado SS, then that would be a different subject. The SS shouldn't be put against the other two, but should be against the Hemi. They do have the same horsepower output.
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The SS;s don't have nearly the drivetrain loss as the Rams do, so even if the weight and numbers were identical. The SS would own a Ram for the simple fact of Chryslers terrible drivetrain loss. i need to have a chat with their Engineer's because clearly they are morons at nearly 30% loss.
Every dyno that I have seen is right about 28-30% drivetrain loss for the Rams. Where as other trucks like Titan and SS are not even 20% loss. 10% of 300hp is 30hp loss, so for 345 that's 100hp+ loss for the Rams. Thus why they dyno at 240ish rwhp on the dyno.
Every dyno that I have seen is right about 28-30% drivetrain loss for the Rams. Where as other trucks like Titan and SS are not even 20% loss. 10% of 300hp is 30hp loss, so for 345 that's 100hp+ loss for the Rams. Thus why they dyno at 240ish rwhp on the dyno.
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The transgo would firm up the shifts a little but I doubt it will do anything for the parasitic loss. A new torque converter will free up a bit of that loss though, its responsible for about 14% of the loss through the drive train alone. The converter I just put in claims to reduce it from 14% to 6% give or take and it sure feels like it too. I need to get it up on a dyno to see what it did for it.
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The transgo would firm up the shifts a little but I doubt it will do anything for the parasitic loss. A new torque converter will free up a bit of that loss though, its responsible for about 14% of the loss through the drive train alone. The converter I just put in claims to reduce it from 14% to 6% give or take and it sure feels like it too. I need to get it up on a dyno to see what it did for it.
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Its an APS Converter w/ a 2700 stall, ran $450 + $150 Refundable Core Charge, took about 6hrs to install on a lift however we were doing some other things as well like dropping the pan and replacing the trans cooler to an upgraded version. So maybe take a half hour to an hour off that. Would 100% recommend getting the upgraded cooler though.
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Thanks truckin i see what you mean about the elevation. Well even tho i will probably get my *** handed to me i am still goignt o record the race and show you guys.
O yea by the way, have you guys ever pulled up to a Nissan sentra SE-R??
I rolled up to one at a 30 mph roll, i thought that ill smoke this lil car the lil rice burner was at my rear bumper till i shifted into 3rd gear then it started pulling on me and i let go at 85mph. Those lil cars are quick...
Cant belive i am saying this but I ALL MOST GOT BEAT BY A SENTRA!!!! lol
O yea Truckin does installing a Torque converter voiid warrenty. ANd if it does will it be noticible for the dealer to even notice.
O yea by the way, have you guys ever pulled up to a Nissan sentra SE-R??
I rolled up to one at a 30 mph roll, i thought that ill smoke this lil car the lil rice burner was at my rear bumper till i shifted into 3rd gear then it started pulling on me and i let go at 85mph. Those lil cars are quick...
Cant belive i am saying this but I ALL MOST GOT BEAT BY A SENTRA!!!! lol
O yea Truckin does installing a Torque converter voiid warrenty. ANd if it does will it be noticible for the dealer to even notice.
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The Silverado SS is a great looking truck with a lot of power, however, I believe the Dodge Ram equipped with the Hemi is the better all around truck. The Silverado SS drives around letting everyone know that it's supposed to be FAST, while the Hemi drives around as a truck with a tiny badge indicating 345 h/p. If I was going to drive a truck that was lowered to the ground leveled that had SS badges, I'd want to make damn sure it could wipe out a Hemi with no sweat, which it cannot.
What I would like to know is how the Hemi would do against the SS given the same chasis and gearing as the SS....I would bet the Hemi would win. With this said...nobody wants to mention how the Toyota Tundra does an even better job at making a work truck a FAST truck too. The Tundra has 381 horsepower with 4.10 gearing, and has four wheel drive. I think the SS is stupid. It sports badges that scream its fast, yet it's nothing far from it's fellow true true counterparts that don't look silly driving around town.
What I would like to know is how the Hemi would do against the SS given the same chasis and gearing as the SS....I would bet the Hemi would win. With this said...nobody wants to mention how the Toyota Tundra does an even better job at making a work truck a FAST truck too. The Tundra has 381 horsepower with 4.10 gearing, and has four wheel drive. I think the SS is stupid. It sports badges that scream its fast, yet it's nothing far from it's fellow true true counterparts that don't look silly driving around town.