Will a dealer trade me hoods??
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My mom knew what she wanted. The Tracker was gutless, an inline 4, and not that much storage space. She said that she wanted something with at least an inline six, plenty of space to equal the car she was trading in, and to be overall nice. As stated, the Tracker didn't fit what she wanted. Later on she got a Jeep, inline six, plenty of storage space, 4x4, and good power for going down interstate. My mom didn't say that she wanted a Jeep and nothing else. She looked at several comparable models, but the dealership tried to get her in anything that came in their lot.
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From: Albany, NY
I was in that line of work for a few years and I can attest to that statement!
I didn't like but 2 salesman from 4 different dealerships. All the rest were sneaky, backstabbing, story telling douchebags. I hated them so I left for a different type of job.
That's when i jumped into trucking. No people chatting in my ear, no customers demanding stuff all day.
Back to the topic.....If the hood is done aftermarket and the vehicle is used. there is no law that stops the dealership from pulling that hood off and selling it to someone.
I really don't think they will do the deal unless you were to pay them full price for the hood...Meaning new retail price and then new paint price. that's why dealer's are crooks. The only wy they would sell you tht hood is if you bought a vehicle off of them and they did it to seal the deal. Otherwise, your $500 is chump change and a waste of their time because they would have to pay the shop for an hour fee for labor.
As Doc said, they sell vehicles based on looks more than anything. I bet that truck is or will be setting on the front line or by the road, which will atract buyers towards that truck or just bring them in because they noticed that truck.
I didn't like but 2 salesman from 4 different dealerships. All the rest were sneaky, backstabbing, story telling douchebags. I hated them so I left for a different type of job.
That's when i jumped into trucking. No people chatting in my ear, no customers demanding stuff all day.
Back to the topic.....If the hood is done aftermarket and the vehicle is used. there is no law that stops the dealership from pulling that hood off and selling it to someone.
I really don't think they will do the deal unless you were to pay them full price for the hood...Meaning new retail price and then new paint price. that's why dealer's are crooks. The only wy they would sell you tht hood is if you bought a vehicle off of them and they did it to seal the deal. Otherwise, your $500 is chump change and a waste of their time because they would have to pay the shop for an hour fee for labor.
As Doc said, they sell vehicles based on looks more than anything. I bet that truck is or will be setting on the front line or by the road, which will atract buyers towards that truck or just bring them in because they noticed that truck.
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So if 99% of the Salesman are douche bags I will Say it again... GIVE EXAMPLES
or is it something that your Mom and Dad passed on to you?
Based off your theory
At your numbers I will use the numbers from my last Dealership
17 Salesman
1- 20 years there
9- 5 or more
4-more that 1
3 revolvers (People that just don't cut it)
Now out of those 17 Salesman/woman (1)
All are Licensed by the state to sell cars
Criminally background check
Have no more than 2 points on Driving License
Drug tested
have Volunteered 1 week to be trained and tested before being hired
Are Factory Certified
Attend approximately 40 - 60 hours a year being trained for individual vehicles (They are not paid for this)
and are scheduled to work 50 hours a week... Scheduled 50 average 60
So now How would you feel if I said 99 percent of the People that drive trucks are ignorant lazy fat white Hillbilly's that have 2 teeth and have sex with their children? After all I always pictured those guys from Deliverance driving a Pick up and if i saw it in the movies it must be true.
Perception of car dealerships is what is killing the new car Industry... First it started with Mercedes... And none of you even realized it when Mercedes sent out the rule to stabalize its market... They said Max discount is 3% First Discount is 1.5%... Second 1.5% if you wanted more off you do not deserve to drive a Mercedes
Then came Saturn... Hmmmmm I am going to pay Sticker for a GM product but Negotiate for every other product???
Then we get Scion... Take the Echo... Toss a new Body on it... Make people pay sticker... And my favorite part about this car... If you want any upgrades they are bought separately
Soon you will be walking in to a dealership and they will be asking you do you want a Slim jim with your Ram?
When a guy spends 60-70 hours away from his family... gives up week ends... Can only take vacation during the first 2 weeks some time only the second week of the month... and then when he goes out he hears... oh your a car salesman
... Hmmm They are dieing off... add that Dealerships are closing or have closed.... We are going to a point that you will have to order the car you think you want and when it arrives if you do not like it to bad you will buy or loose your security Deposit
Now Gripes on Customers that I have had to Deal with (Some of you may even be on here bashing dealerships right now)
1- Horrible credit- But it is the Dealerships fault you don't pay your bills
2- Shop me for 4 hours and go buy at the Dealership 2 hours away to save $100
3- Buy your car elsewhere and tell me because I am with the same manufacturer I must reteach you how to use the Nav because you bought 2 hours away
4- Did I mention Credit Criminals???
5- How about trades-
a- Cars infested with flees
b- Cars that have something wrong that I drive around the block and it is all of a sudden because of me your engine is knocking or my favorite...Will be in Drive even when it is in NEUTRAL!
c- Telling me I am an a$$hole because there car (15 years old with 200K) was only worth $100
d- How about the guy that instead of going to the bathroom relieved himself on my new Hybrid?
e-My favorite of all time- The woman who gave me a zero on my customer service index because she was toooo fat to fit the seat belt around her waist and even though I bought her son dinner because he was hungry and they did not have cash and supposedly left there bank card home.... I delivered the car in the middle of a tropical storm Standing in the rain so they can have my umbrella because they did not know it was going to rain
.... Again Gave me a zero because when they looked at the car the next day it had WATER SPOTS AND I WOULD NOT BUY HER A SEAT BELT EXTENDER! Selling her the car cost me PERSONALLY OUT OF MY POCKET $2600!!!!
So there are my examples... You want to say Salesman screwed you... again... Please tell me how
or is it something that your Mom and Dad passed on to you?
Based off your theory
At your numbers I will use the numbers from my last Dealership
17 Salesman
1- 20 years there
9- 5 or more
4-more that 1
3 revolvers (People that just don't cut it)
Now out of those 17 Salesman/woman (1)
All are Licensed by the state to sell cars
Criminally background check
Have no more than 2 points on Driving License
Drug tested
have Volunteered 1 week to be trained and tested before being hired
Are Factory Certified
Attend approximately 40 - 60 hours a year being trained for individual vehicles (They are not paid for this)
and are scheduled to work 50 hours a week... Scheduled 50 average 60
So now How would you feel if I said 99 percent of the People that drive trucks are ignorant lazy fat white Hillbilly's that have 2 teeth and have sex with their children? After all I always pictured those guys from Deliverance driving a Pick up and if i saw it in the movies it must be true.
Perception of car dealerships is what is killing the new car Industry... First it started with Mercedes... And none of you even realized it when Mercedes sent out the rule to stabalize its market... They said Max discount is 3% First Discount is 1.5%... Second 1.5% if you wanted more off you do not deserve to drive a Mercedes
Then came Saturn... Hmmmmm I am going to pay Sticker for a GM product but Negotiate for every other product???
Then we get Scion... Take the Echo... Toss a new Body on it... Make people pay sticker... And my favorite part about this car... If you want any upgrades they are bought separately
Soon you will be walking in to a dealership and they will be asking you do you want a Slim jim with your Ram?
When a guy spends 60-70 hours away from his family... gives up week ends... Can only take vacation during the first 2 weeks some time only the second week of the month... and then when he goes out he hears... oh your a car salesman
... Hmmm They are dieing off... add that Dealerships are closing or have closed.... We are going to a point that you will have to order the car you think you want and when it arrives if you do not like it to bad you will buy or loose your security DepositNow Gripes on Customers that I have had to Deal with (Some of you may even be on here bashing dealerships right now)
1- Horrible credit- But it is the Dealerships fault you don't pay your bills
2- Shop me for 4 hours and go buy at the Dealership 2 hours away to save $100
3- Buy your car elsewhere and tell me because I am with the same manufacturer I must reteach you how to use the Nav because you bought 2 hours away
4- Did I mention Credit Criminals???
5- How about trades-
a- Cars infested with flees
b- Cars that have something wrong that I drive around the block and it is all of a sudden because of me your engine is knocking or my favorite...Will be in Drive even when it is in NEUTRAL!
c- Telling me I am an a$$hole because there car (15 years old with 200K) was only worth $100
d- How about the guy that instead of going to the bathroom relieved himself on my new Hybrid?
e-My favorite of all time- The woman who gave me a zero on my customer service index because she was toooo fat to fit the seat belt around her waist and even though I bought her son dinner because he was hungry and they did not have cash and supposedly left there bank card home.... I delivered the car in the middle of a tropical storm Standing in the rain so they can have my umbrella because they did not know it was going to rain
.... Again Gave me a zero because when they looked at the car the next day it had WATER SPOTS AND I WOULD NOT BUY HER A SEAT BELT EXTENDER! Selling her the car cost me PERSONALLY OUT OF MY POCKET $2600!!!! So there are my examples... You want to say Salesman screwed you... again... Please tell me how
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 17,003
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From: Albany, NY
So if 99% of the Salesman are douche bags I will Say it again... GIVE EXAMPLES
or is it something that your Mom and Dad passed on to you?
Based off your theory
At your numbers I will use the numbers from my last Dealership
17 Salesman
1- 20 years there
9- 5 or more
4-more that 1
3 revolvers (People that just don't cut it)
Now out of those 17 Salesman/woman (1)
All are Licensed by the state to sell cars
Criminally background check
Have no more than 2 points on Driving License
Drug tested
have Volunteered 1 week to be trained and tested before being hired
Are Factory Certified
Attend approximately 40 - 60 hours a year being trained for individual vehicles (They are not paid for this)
and are scheduled to work 50 hours a week... Scheduled 50 average 60
So now How would you feel if I said 99 percent of the People that drive trucks are ignorant lazy fat white Hillbilly's that have 2 teeth and have sex with their children? After all I always pictured those guys from Deliverance driving a Pick up and if i saw it in the movies it must be true.
or is it something that your Mom and Dad passed on to you?
Based off your theory
At your numbers I will use the numbers from my last Dealership
17 Salesman
1- 20 years there
9- 5 or more
4-more that 1
3 revolvers (People that just don't cut it)
Now out of those 17 Salesman/woman (1)
All are Licensed by the state to sell cars
Criminally background check
Have no more than 2 points on Driving License
Drug tested
have Volunteered 1 week to be trained and tested before being hired
Are Factory Certified
Attend approximately 40 - 60 hours a year being trained for individual vehicles (They are not paid for this)
and are scheduled to work 50 hours a week... Scheduled 50 average 60
So now How would you feel if I said 99 percent of the People that drive trucks are ignorant lazy fat white Hillbilly's that have 2 teeth and have sex with their children? After all I always pictured those guys from Deliverance driving a Pick up and if i saw it in the movies it must be true.
NO DEALER in NY is going to deny a salesman a job for any of the above mentioned. I think i was the ONLY one out of all 4 dealerships that had a clean license. Most have more than 2points. Some have criminal backround as dealers don't do backround checks or require that.
EVERY salesman I ever worked for either smoked pot and/or did coke ALL THE TIME. Certainly if the dealerships start to drug test, they will run out even their long term guys. Hell, even 3 of the 4 salesmanagers had a straw to their nose at their personal parties.
No certification is needed or is even offered.
Volunteer....lmao They would never get anyone. Any dealer i have ever known always pays for training which is roughly 2 weeks-30days depending upon the person.
Work hours. Scheduled the same, except I never worked under 60hours. Ever.
You are 100% correct on the truck driver toothless fatass lazy P.O.S's I was tired of seeing and being around all of them! However, I was driving local(home every night) and making $90k per/yr. Just driving. No touch freight. 3-600miles a day. health bennie's, profit sharing, 5am-5pm monday-friday schedule.
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I was in that line of work for a few years and I can attest to that statement!
I didn't like but 2 salesman from 4 different dealerships. All the rest were sneaky, backstabbing, story telling douchebags. I hated them so I left for a different type of job.
That's when i jumped into trucking. No people chatting in my ear, no customers demanding stuff all day.
Back to the topic.....If the hood is done aftermarket and the vehicle is used. there is no law that stops the dealership from pulling that hood off and selling it to someone.
This is correct.... Only thing the Dealership needs to be careful of is depending on if they have it listed on the FTC... Some use the FTC like I did to accentuate the points of the Truck... Then they would need to make a new sticker but that is easy... other than that no law
I really don't think they will do the deal unless you were to pay them full price for the hood...Meaning new retail price and then new paint price. that's why dealer's are crooks.
I am confused how does that make them crooks??? I have never replaced a hood so I do not know much about it... if I was in the dealership as a manager... I would price it this way.... 1 hour to remove hood.... 1 hour to install hood... if it is a different color 2 hours to paint the hood.... Then I would want to compensate the dealership for loosing the point vehicle.... I would be thinking about $700 to $850... How would this compare if I got you the identical hood from our parts department? any one that has purchased a hood have any idea?
The only wy they would sell you tht hood is if you bought a vehicle off of them and they did it to seal the deal. Otherwise, your $500 is chump change and a waste of their time because they would have to pay the shop for an hour fee for labor.
As Doc said, they sell vehicles based on looks more than anything. I bet that truck is or will be setting on the front line or by the road, which will atract buyers towards that truck or just bring them in because they noticed that truck.
I didn't like but 2 salesman from 4 different dealerships. All the rest were sneaky, backstabbing, story telling douchebags. I hated them so I left for a different type of job.
That's when i jumped into trucking. No people chatting in my ear, no customers demanding stuff all day.
Back to the topic.....If the hood is done aftermarket and the vehicle is used. there is no law that stops the dealership from pulling that hood off and selling it to someone.
This is correct.... Only thing the Dealership needs to be careful of is depending on if they have it listed on the FTC... Some use the FTC like I did to accentuate the points of the Truck... Then they would need to make a new sticker but that is easy... other than that no law
I really don't think they will do the deal unless you were to pay them full price for the hood...Meaning new retail price and then new paint price. that's why dealer's are crooks.
I am confused how does that make them crooks??? I have never replaced a hood so I do not know much about it... if I was in the dealership as a manager... I would price it this way.... 1 hour to remove hood.... 1 hour to install hood... if it is a different color 2 hours to paint the hood.... Then I would want to compensate the dealership for loosing the point vehicle.... I would be thinking about $700 to $850... How would this compare if I got you the identical hood from our parts department? any one that has purchased a hood have any idea?
The only wy they would sell you tht hood is if you bought a vehicle off of them and they did it to seal the deal. Otherwise, your $500 is chump change and a waste of their time because they would have to pay the shop for an hour fee for labor.
As Doc said, they sell vehicles based on looks more than anything. I bet that truck is or will be setting on the front line or by the road, which will atract buyers towards that truck or just bring them in because they noticed that truck.
Correct there... I bet when they bought it they said... Point vehicle! This is the vehicle that is used to bring people in... NO IT IS NOT BAIT AND SWITCH... it is an eye catcher... What makes this dealership stand out? This car gets you in because you think ... they have nice cars... but your credit sucks so you leave in a PT cruiser... that Hood still got you in! I remember a base Beetle I had that was 4 years old and 13000 miles priced at $23000!...$6000 more than an actual new one but it was The Harvester... A custom $8000 paint job. I had that thing for 2 years and it probably sold 40 beetles for me because people would come in and look at it
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WOW...we weren't directing that directly at you. Just the the other 98%....lol
I do not take anything personal.... I learned that a long time ago... but on the other hand I have close friends and the woman I sleep with who are in the business... So it does hit me a little
NO DEALER in NY is going to deny a salesman a job for any of the above mentioned. I think i was the ONLY one out of all 4 dealerships that had a clean license. Most have more than 2points. Some have criminal backround as dealers don't do backround checks or require that.
EVERY salesman I ever worked for either smoked pot and/or did coke ALL THE TIME. Certainly if the dealerships start to drug test, they will run out even their long term guys. Hell, even 3 of the 4 salesmanagers had a straw to their nose at their personal parties.
See that is what I mean by not being able to judge all salesman... Criminal Background Checks and Licensing and bonding are all required by the State of MD to even sell a car... If you do not have those and you sell a car it is $1000 fine per car you could have been associated with selling. In other words ... If you were working that day and 6 cars are sold that is $6000 fined for that day
No certification is needed or is even offered.
All Manufactures Require this to sell their vehicles now
Volunteer....lmao They would never get anyone. Any dealer i have ever known always pays for training which is roughly 2 weeks-30days depending upon the person.
1 week is just to learn how to treat customers and learn what you will be doing... it is basically a week long interview
Work hours. Scheduled the same, except I never worked under 60hours. Ever.
I would agree... I always seemed to be on the B shift... Be there Bell to Bell
You are 100% correct on the truck driver toothless fatass lazy P.O.S's I was tired of seeing and being around all of them! However, I was driving local(home every night) and making $90k per/yr. Just driving. No touch freight. 3-600miles a day. health bennie's, profit sharing, 5am-5pm monday-friday schedule.
I do not take anything personal.... I learned that a long time ago... but on the other hand I have close friends and the woman I sleep with who are in the business... So it does hit me a little
NO DEALER in NY is going to deny a salesman a job for any of the above mentioned. I think i was the ONLY one out of all 4 dealerships that had a clean license. Most have more than 2points. Some have criminal backround as dealers don't do backround checks or require that.
EVERY salesman I ever worked for either smoked pot and/or did coke ALL THE TIME. Certainly if the dealerships start to drug test, they will run out even their long term guys. Hell, even 3 of the 4 salesmanagers had a straw to their nose at their personal parties.
See that is what I mean by not being able to judge all salesman... Criminal Background Checks and Licensing and bonding are all required by the State of MD to even sell a car... If you do not have those and you sell a car it is $1000 fine per car you could have been associated with selling. In other words ... If you were working that day and 6 cars are sold that is $6000 fined for that day
No certification is needed or is even offered.
All Manufactures Require this to sell their vehicles now
Volunteer....lmao They would never get anyone. Any dealer i have ever known always pays for training which is roughly 2 weeks-30days depending upon the person.
1 week is just to learn how to treat customers and learn what you will be doing... it is basically a week long interview
Work hours. Scheduled the same, except I never worked under 60hours. Ever.
I would agree... I always seemed to be on the B shift... Be there Bell to Bell
You are 100% correct on the truck driver toothless fatass lazy P.O.S's I was tired of seeing and being around all of them! However, I was driving local(home every night) and making $90k per/yr. Just driving. No touch freight. 3-600miles a day. health bennie's, profit sharing, 5am-5pm monday-friday schedule.
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I am confused how does that make them crooks??? I have never replaced a hood so I do not know much about it... if I was in the dealership as a manager... I would price it this way.... 1 hour to remove hood.... 1 hour to install hood... if it is a different color 2 hours to paint the hood.... Then I would want to compensate the dealership for loosing the point vehicle.... I would be thinking about $700 to $850... How would this compare if I got you the identical hood from our parts department? any one that has purchased a hood have any idea?
I would not give a dealer any more than $450 + the trade for the hood, there is no reason to go any higher than that since you are basically giving them between $600 - $800 for it after you take in consideration for the price of the stock hood plus the extra cash on top of that. Anything higher than $450 and you can find one that someone is selling online.
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From: Northern Virginia
I don't care if one of your snake oil salesboys developed a cure for baldness, he would still have some douchebaggery in him.
The amount of energy you are expending trying to distort reality is charming, but I submit to you that your cause is a lost one. No amount of dubious claims of saleslosers making more than doctors will change the reality that 99% of them are losers. I am sure your top earner (aka Numero Uno Ace Douchebag) made more than some immigrant doctor from islamabad working at the quicky clinic, but that is the exception and not the norm. No amount of equivocating on your part will change reality. For you to achieve inner peace and find true happiness, you must accept that you have douchebaggery running deep throughout your employment history.
My condolences, but we all have our crosses to bear.
Last edited by RubberFrog; Sep 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM.
