nothing- they're both a waste of time and money

 

No they aren't knock it off. A K&N still flows more air. A Volant is a nice looking intake just as the BFI is. Talk about a waste. A waste of $$$$ for the BFI compared to the actual gains that haven';t even been dyno proven as of yet because the Hemi doesn't require a whole lot of air flow over stock. BFI that everyone speaks of is nice, but waaaay overpriced for actual non-listed gains. While i think there are gains, the price won't justify the minimal gains that it actually does make over the competition or even over the stock box with a K&N stuffed in for that matter. Until anyone shows me a dyno slip to prove me wrong, I will stand by my determination just as we all have our own.

My theory is that NOT 1 aftermarket intake is a justification for the amount they charge for the gains that are given. Which is why i have a K&N drop-in. My used Airraid intake tubing made zero difference for noise or power. Must be that the HP was all used up when I bought it.


You knock it off to....lol It's no where near as restrictive as everyone says. I say the stock inlet tube that draws the air in is the most resrictive part. If you take the Hat it off and look through it. It's a 3.5" hole that goes straight through just like the rest of the intake. There are openings towards the outside, but there is still more airflow through that tube than the stock throttlebody takes in because it's simply larger! So the only thing that would cause some minor, MINOR flow issue's, is the turbulence created by the openings that allows air to "leak" into the surroundings of the Hemi hat.
Basically it's like taking your intake tube and drilling a bunch of holes in the tubing in a specific area and then covering up all those holes with a small box. You still get flow through the tube same as before but there is risidual air left over in the covered up spot.
The Hemi hat...My best guess....It helps with cold starts because the air gets heated up when in the Hemi hat. Kinda like the tubes that were on the old carb intake aircleaners.So removing the hemi hat would create a cooler intake, but by very little. Like 1 degree at best probably when warmed up.
But I suppose I'm talkin out my a$$ again. Who knows? I like debates. Their funaahahahahahaaaa

 

I know you disagree with me, but stop telling me to "knock it off." I am speaking from actual experience with 4 different intakes on my truck. How many have you ran?

You keep saying that "the Hemi doesn't require a whole lot of air flow over stock". That's just not true. Plenty of guys go to the track and get faster times with a good cai. That's a fact. You also say that the bfi hasn't been dyno tested. So what? There is a lot more to be learned at a track than at a dyno. There's no moving air on a dyno. There is no cold air blowing the heat out of the engine bay, so most cai just suck up hot air from under the hood and lose effectiveness.

Home made intake- waste of time. No power increase, no mpg increase. Lots of noise.
Mopar CAI- waste of time. No power increase, no mpg increase. Lots of noise.
K&N drop in- waste of time. No power increase, no mpg increase.
Vararam in take- noticeable increase in power, improved throttle response, better acceleration while towing. Increased MPG.

I am sharing information from actual experience. You are sharing information based on So what you're actually sharing is your theories, your specualtions, and your best guess.

In fairness, you did offer this bit of experience- I couldn't agree more. Yet another worthless intake!

 

You cant tell me the $25 I paid for a K&N drop in was a big a waste as a $300 Volant. The crappy Fram replacements are $10-15.

As far as a waste of time..that doesnt even make sense.

I always thought the hat was mostly like a reasonator to curb that loud sound when you step on the gas but not really that restrictive...kinda similar to the reasonator on the exhaust everyone tells me is not restrictive but for sound dampening.

 

Well if "everyone" is telling you, then go with it. Just curious, does "everyone" run at the track or have any actual experience?

 

I dont run at the track

 

Experience as far as Dyno?
Butt dyno means nothing and neither do track times unless your an avid trackstar that has very consistent ET times and tested on the same day with the same atmospheric levels and humidity/temp.

My best guess/theory as staed was about the whole idea behind the Hemi hat. My best guess/theory had nothing to do with actual flow. It was more of an observation that nobody has spoken about. It was sorta offtopic from the whole scenerio. So pointing out those words is kind of unfair.

Again, until someone shows me PROVEN DYNO numbers on ANY intake is when I'll shut up. But until then...


Kinda confused by this here? How is a straight through tubing more useless than others of the same? ARam Air intake is barely negligable as far as power gains so if your trying to imply that a Ramair intake create soo much more power than a standard off the shelf one, your miustaken. Sure it keeps the same intake temp levels, but the "forcing" nature of a Ramair doesn't provide power like most guys think it does.

 

Preface: Before anybody gets the idea that dogg and I are fighting... we're debating. There is no malice, no anger. We may frustrate each other, but that's all.

Once again, you're speculating about intakes. How do you know if they do or do not make more power? Have you put one on your truck? I have, and I am telling you that my vararam makes more power than a filter-on-a-stick intake (which I think are garbage).

I'm not saying this because it "seems" right, or because I read it on a website, or because I thought about it for a while and convinced myself, or because I can't afford a different intake. I am saying it because I have experienced it. I have ran my truck many times on my local 1/8 mile track. I also tow with it on a regular basis, and I drive it as my daily driver. That may not be enough proof for you, but it definately is more experience than you can claim with actual intakes.

As far as dynos go, I'll say it again- they are worthless for real world testing as they do not recreate the conditions found on the street and they trap hot air under the hood. Peak hp/tq doesn't really mean anything under 1/4 mile anyways. To simulate street conditions, a 1/8 mile track is more inline with stop light to stop light scenarios.

In one breath you say that track tests are no good unless they are done by a pro, on the same day, consistent Et's, etc. Then with another breath you talk about your experience with one individual intake. Did you drive up and down the same stretch of road, on the same day, with both intakes? Maybe your own seat of the pants experience is flawed? Although I do agree that the intake you tried is garbage.

As far as peak air and the ability of one intake to flow more than the other- that's as much a wasted measurement as peak hp/tq. The same arguement is made against throttle body porting. Folks claim that because the opening at the butterfly is the same, the tb will not increase performance. But the fact is that porting a tb DOES increase pedal response and acceleration. The same thing happens with a good intake. Top speed and power may remain constant, but the amount of time it takes to reach them is shortened.

 

From using a couple of different intakes as well as a home-made CAI, I went back to the stock setup with a K&N drop-in.

The aftermarket stuff made lots of noise but it felt weaker to me. When I went back with stock, the pep came back as well. Maybe my imagination? Maybe not.....

 

1.) Yes. As far as me saying there were no gains. Simply because I felt nothing wehere as some guys say they feel soo much more power from that "mod" if you will. i meant nothing as far as real numbers.

2.) this is not entirely true as most power adders go by peak measurements but i see where you are going with this.
Regarding ported T/B's. I will whole heartedly agree that a ported t/b does aid in INITIAL throttle response, but has no way shape or form of adding cfm flow at WOT. i just don't see how it's possible if the butterfly hole is the same size. Now if it's opened, then yes, better flow throughout the whole range.

Most dyno runs are done with the hood open and a large fan to circulate the air, so there is no 'Hot air" that most guys speak of. Sure it may be a few degrees warmer than actual moving air, but 80mph air is still at ambient temperature as it goes through the intake. So a dyno run even on an intake is still a darn close call for real world numbers. Maybe even better since the hood is open where as sitting in traffic, gets things much warmer under there.

I'm sure i left stuff out, but that's what the next round is for....lol