Wanted some feedback on headers
I was just wanting to know if anyone had some advice on which headers I should go with (04 Quad with Hemi). I am looking for the best quality out there with a low price tag.
"best quality" or "low price," take your pick.
Don't bother with "shorties," not enough gain to make it worthwhile, especially where typically needed, i.e. low and mid-range.
Save your bucks until you can do it right. Get full long-tubes in stainless with metal matrix, high-flo cats, if you want to make it worthwhile for more than bench-racing. Then you will be looking at perhaps 30 rear-wheel hp max and perhaps slightly more torque, with a decent exhaust and intake.
All the best.
Don't bother with "shorties," not enough gain to make it worthwhile, especially where typically needed, i.e. low and mid-range.
Save your bucks until you can do it right. Get full long-tubes in stainless with metal matrix, high-flo cats, if you want to make it worthwhile for more than bench-racing. Then you will be looking at perhaps 30 rear-wheel hp max and perhaps slightly more torque, with a decent exhaust and intake.
All the best.
^^ I know you said 30rwhp max but I think thats a high number to project to someone. I mean if you do high flow cats, no muffler and headers I doubt you will see that much of an increase to the wheels, thats like 50+hp at the crank and I dont see that happening from freeing up some breathing room. And again, for the most part, high quality and low price tag very rarely belong in the same sentence, but it is just some pipe welded together.
bmxox:
I'm a racer (and Ph.D. research scientist), NOT a NAPA/AutoZone bench racer and I do NOT bandy power numbers about without data... I've been dealing with such issues all my life. I have consistently seen these results with a similar engine, i.e. the Vette LS-1. The only question about this result would be possible issues with the parameter limits of the Mopar's engine control system, but with professional tuning the results I state are the bottom of the norm.
As for headers simply being "just some pipe welded together," I can see you've never spent any time on an engine-dyno doing hands-on R&D. Certainly, anyone can bend and weld pipe, but knowing what pipe sizes and lengths to weld, how to bend, etc., etc. for a given projected application and outcome... all within the confines of a given vehicle's usually limited space makes something more of this process. Believe me I know!
All the best and Happy Holidays.
I'm a racer (and Ph.D. research scientist), NOT a NAPA/AutoZone bench racer and I do NOT bandy power numbers about without data... I've been dealing with such issues all my life. I have consistently seen these results with a similar engine, i.e. the Vette LS-1. The only question about this result would be possible issues with the parameter limits of the Mopar's engine control system, but with professional tuning the results I state are the bottom of the norm.
As for headers simply being "just some pipe welded together," I can see you've never spent any time on an engine-dyno doing hands-on R&D. Certainly, anyone can bend and weld pipe, but knowing what pipe sizes and lengths to weld, how to bend, etc., etc. for a given projected application and outcome... all within the confines of a given vehicle's usually limited space makes something more of this process. Believe me I know!

All the best and Happy Holidays.
woah woah woah there PH.D research scientist and "racer"
Your comparing the Hemi to an LS-1????? come on man...are you kidding? i hope so.
Trust me....as I used to own a Camaro SS before my 04 Cobra.....my HEMI engine or ANY hemi engine is NO LS-1.
and my buddy with a 700rwhp Vette who still owns a camaro SS is scratching his head at this one.
LS-1s are making ALOT MORE POWER!!!! ALOT...... and the engine is nothing alike...peak hp/torque and bottom end power/top end power and the buildup of the cams/heads is ALL different.....unless you think they are alike because they are both 5.7s?????
heck...the LS-1s are good for 310-320rwhp STOCK! whereas a HEMI is good for what.....260-270rwhp maybe? LS-1 also benefits ALOT more from simple breather modifications and of course the legendary LS-1 edit...let alone a head and cam swap.....
my 01 camaro SS was making like 420-430rwhp with just intake,headers,catback,and a cam upgrade.
the hemi would be lucky to see about 310-320rwhp with that.
ok im done. a few of us over here are laughing right now....thanks for the laugh.
Your comparing the Hemi to an LS-1????? come on man...are you kidding? i hope so.
Trust me....as I used to own a Camaro SS before my 04 Cobra.....my HEMI engine or ANY hemi engine is NO LS-1.
and my buddy with a 700rwhp Vette who still owns a camaro SS is scratching his head at this one.
LS-1s are making ALOT MORE POWER!!!! ALOT...... and the engine is nothing alike...peak hp/torque and bottom end power/top end power and the buildup of the cams/heads is ALL different.....unless you think they are alike because they are both 5.7s?????
heck...the LS-1s are good for 310-320rwhp STOCK! whereas a HEMI is good for what.....260-270rwhp maybe? LS-1 also benefits ALOT more from simple breather modifications and of course the legendary LS-1 edit...let alone a head and cam swap.....
my 01 camaro SS was making like 420-430rwhp with just intake,headers,catback,and a cam upgrade.
the hemi would be lucky to see about 310-320rwhp with that.
ok im done. a few of us over here are laughing right now....thanks for the laugh.
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Certainly, anyone can bend and weld pipe, but knowing what pipe sizes and lengths to weld, how to bend, etc., etc. for a given projected application and outcome... all within the confines of a given vehicle's usually limited space makes something more of this process. Believe me I know!
Certainly, anyone can bend and weld pipe, but knowing what pipe sizes and lengths to weld, how to bend, etc., etc. for a given projected application and outcome... all within the confines of a given vehicle's usually limited space makes something more of this process. Believe me I know!




