The reason the factory induction system is restrictive is NOT due to lack of desire as Hank pointed out... it because the EPA has there hands tied, noise is pollution and the EPA sets stricked standards on how much noise a vehicle can make. So when you see the SRT department building a 700 HP engine... they still need to follow the same EPA guidelines that the smaller 200HP engine are forced to comply with. So what you get is an engine that makes as MUCH HP as it can while still making good use of a RESONATOR... the RESONATOR is an intake muffler that the factory (NOT BY CHOICE) must use to tone the noise level down with. This resonator works by creating turbulence in the air flow ... this turbulence acts to muffle the intake noise at the same time is restrictive enough to rob you of 10-12HP.

ALSO as pointed out above by a few people, most people do NOT want to hear the engine, exhaust, wind noise or ANY noise for that matter... so the factory is more apt to tailor vehicles to that crowd. Quite engine performance will sell more vehicles and is more important than 10HP gained by removing the resonator... and the fines/penaltys/taxes from the EPA for producing a vehicle that does not meat their standards for noise pollution is another reason why they use the resonator.

Hank has been argueing this same arguement for the last few years... and the funny thing is, he doesnt even own a 3rd Gen Ram... so his experience is extreamly limited. The best he can do is "Cut & Paste" what he finds on internet searches but he hardly has any personal experience to back anything he says up... If your looking for help with your 2nd Gen Ram... hank may have some information you might find usefull... but if you own a 3rd Gen Ram... follow his guidence at your own risk.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

 

For full disclosure, Air Ram should mention he sells cold air intakes.

 

Ummm just another thought here but maybe it's not about HP and Torque increase at all. Maybe it's about allowing your engine to use what it already has and get to the "power curves" quicker. I had a FIPK on my 96 Z-28 and although (butt dyno only) I did not notice any increase or decrease in fuel mileage or top end speed, I did notice quicker response. It's like upgrading your spark with wires and plugs - you're not really upgrading anything but allowing the spark you already have to flow better, something the coil or computer or whatever was already capable of doing to begin with. In my experience of building 350's, external bolt on "power" is a joke. You have to go into the engine to create more power. Reprograming computers, air intakes and after cat exhausts only let you access what you already have. Perfect example are diesel trucks. They are so detuned it's pathetic and with $1000 you can get enormus gains - power and torque that was already there but held back. Of course that's apples to oranges.
As far as car makers being restricted, that is so true. My 96 Z-28 automatic did not have first gear but was actually blocked from going into first gear by the factory. This was to keep noise levels within government standards so it would not have any additionl taxes and crap thrown on it. Of course it was easily remedied but still, it was absolutely ridiculous.

 

LOL ... that’s no secret! Heck the name alone says it all "AIR RAM" ...I think everyone knows what I do, but they also know I offer more than just induction system advice... Perhaps you should go view some of my past post... I also own a 2002 4.7L Quad Cab DODGE RAM which will give most of your HEMIs a run for your money. I have been a member of this site before I started the AIR RAM INDUCTION business... so even though you would like to point out that I’m bias because I sell cold air induction systems... Perhaps I am on this subject, but its only because I’m informed, Please don’t hate me because I have spent more time at the track and on a DYNO than you have.

I would like to point out that if you spend ANY amount of time at the track the fastest NA trucks will have some type of induction system on them... I have NEVER not once seen a NA HEMI with the stock intake beat a similarly equipped HEMI with an aftermarket induction system... I’m not saying Induction systems are the BEST Mod... and to prove it, if you have read any of my post I clearly point out what the FIRST MOD on any 3rd Gen Ram should be... 4.56 gears are the best mod hands down on a 3rd Gen Ram and should be the first mod on the list... If I where trying to sell an induction system I would NOT say that day in and day out. I’m more of an enthusiast than a sales man... sure I will point out facts that I have come to learn due to my trade...

I would rather see my Dodge Brothers add mods that WORK to make them quicker than the Chevy's or Fords in the lane next to them. Heck my 4.7L QC can out run most of you HEMI boys... and honestly If I where to remove the AIR RAM induction system and toss on the stock intake... I would not be able to do so. So again Im on your team... Yes I build and manufacture Cold Air Induction systems... But I offer much more than that on a daily basis because I Own a 3rd Gen Ram and I have delt with them EVERY DAY for the last 3.5 years... I have picked up a little along the way... and I do my best to share what I pick up.

Again, please don’t label the way you have... I’m truly here to participate in the forums to share what I know and to learn what others know... I just happen to know a little on this subject.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

 

Thats EXACTLY what it is all about. It's about REMOVING a restriction and getting cooler air to the engine. And induction system can makes most of its HP through the removal of a restriction. They can also make a small amount of additional HP if they draw air from a cooler location than stock the cooler the location the more HP you will gain. But the greater gains will come from allowing your engine to breath with less effort. Cold, un-restricted, non-turbulant air makes the most HP chose an induction system that does all three above and you will gain performance over your stock system.

I also agree that your just freeing up what your already making... the difference is your converting the pumping losses to RWHP.

Now a properly designed exhaust can MAKE HP... but thats an entirely differenct subject, but its all about keeping the velocity high in the system while creating ZERO back pressure. Back pressure is our enemy... but so is low exhaust velocity.


SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

 

well im kind of new to this forum but i want to know more about increasing available powerin my 2004 5.7 Hemi i already use a flashpaq and removed the resonator when i had magnaflo installed ive looked into the CIA but if gearing is better i want to know more like what, where, and price is it hard to install etc. etc.

 

Would you like another opinion about the value of cold air intakes?

Would you prefer that this opinion comes from someone with lots of experience?

Experience like:

3 Time National Drag Racing Champion before he was 30 years old..
Buillder of winning engines for unlimited CamAm racing
Modifier of engines on Dodge, Ford and GM
...someone who has built and sold thousands of 'Cold Air Intakes' but has quit for certain late models saying they are not worth the money?

Here's what Jim Bell of Kenne-Bell Company has put in writing:

quote:
Question: My engine made more noise when I added the low restriction filter and exhaust. Doesn't that mean more power?
Answer:No. This is a very common misconception. Air flow is everything. Air noise means nothing. Engine noise can be increased by the mere removal of the silencer (Hemholtz resonator), snorkel or canister. That does not guarantee a performance gain. And what if the engine is now sucking in 200° underhood air instead of 70° ambient air. The HP loss from the elevated temperature will be 13%! Our dyno tests indicate that there is little or no HP gain from the complete removal of the air filter assembly on the 4.7 Dodge Jeep, 4.6, 5.4, 6.8 Fords and '99 up GM Vortech engines including the Firebird/Camaro. There is also nothing left in the late model Ford 4.6, 5.4 and Dodge 4.7 exhaust systems. There is a little in the GM Vortech exhaust. We did see 8HP on a Firebird with the exhaust removed. Yes, an aftermarket exhaust system may also make more noise but that is no guarantee it makes more HP. Those new factory exhausts are very efficient.
end quote

http://www.kennebell.net/faq/faq-answers15(8).htm

If you believe AirRam's line of bull that he is an expert in air intake design,
you ought to start following this link at another Dodge forum:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1805275D

in this posting an Chrysler employee whose job is dyno testing 4.7/5.7/6.1 engines volunteers to test out AirRam's PVC pipe 'magic' on an instrumented dyno on his own time at his own expense.

Watch how AirRam squirms, ignors, then under pressure puts it off for 9 weeks or more
(probably never)

You would think that someone who's product worked
would jump at the chance to have it tested and proven for free!

Note how AirRam's buddies
start saying 'He has nothing to prove'

Actually AirRam has something to prove - by law.
He is processing credit card orders across state boundaries and under US Federal Law is doing 'Interstate Commerce' where under FTC regulations he has to prove any claim to anyone that asks, including his statement that his assortment of PVC pipe elbows will make a 4.7 V8 gain 'about' 12 horsepower.

Note how AirRam says 'about'
That is a 'Weasel Word' in advertising lingo.

But AirRam doesn't even know how to pick his Weasel Words!

What AirRam doesn't know is that 'about' has a legal definition under the 'Uniform Commercial Code' that 49 US States have made law. About means plus or minus 20%

Here's a free tip AirRam....
Start saying
"My air intake gives a satisfying change in your driving experience
and customers report that they found a 2 MPG increase and dropped 0.3 seconds off their eighth mile"

When the FTC sued Zmax for false claims
those weasel words
'satisfying change'
and
'customers report'
meant nothing that had to be proved.

Wanna bet that AirRam will find some way not to have his intake tested on Chrysler's Dyno?
Stay tuned........

 

You jealouse SOB!

First off your whole quote from Jim Bell was all about the dodgw 4.7L which mentioned NOTHING about the 5.7L HEMI or any other HEMI Engine for that matter. Also the exhaust mods that he was talking about was those muffler replacement crap that everyone seems to think will automatically boost performance cause they give thier truck a meaner growl. If you actually go out and get a "GOOD" System put on you will notice gains in all fields.

And then attacking Air-Ram because his company, which probably isn't that big to begin with, wouldnt send a guy a free CAI? Do you even understand what a buisness is? Most small companies cant afford to send a free high dollar product out the door to some guy who may or may not know what the hell he's doing. And there is a big difference between giving a product to someone who is certified at dyno testing and can prove what the hell they are doing prior to testing it and is a certified mechanic vs someone who claims on a "post on the internet" that he knows how to properly test them. Have you ever thought that maybe he was in the market for one but didnt want to pay for one? This is what you call a SCAM!!!

Think before the next time you post anything.

 

LOL>>> Hank… you crack me up! For a guy who has most likely NEVER driven a 3rd Gen Ram you sure have allot of advice to give. I feel sorry for ANYONE who follows your advice. Perhaps when you buy your first 3rd Gen Ram you will have something to share with us, but until then you’re a want to be and have NOTHING of value to offer us 3rd Gen Ram owners. I just don’t understand why you insist to hang out in the 3rd Gen Ram owner forums... Did the 1rst Gen Ram owners get tired of your "CUT & PAST" BS responses and boot you from the group? You’re such an outcast it’s kind of funny.

As for my giving away a free induction system, I have customers who have been waiting over 8 weeks for there order... WTF are you kidding…and you say squirm…. Have you not read/followed the entire tread? I would love to have a 3rd party test the system… but I also know at the same time he is just as bias as you are. So this is why YOUR pushing the issue here… you know he is just as bias as you are, this is why you support a BIAS 3rd party like yourself do the testing …I’m not backing out nor am I squirming… I’m trying to figure out how to take him up on his offer while at the same time get an HONEST test out of it… It’s called business… and since you DONT have a 3rd Gen Ram…why is my business so important to you? I did not back out of his offer… and the test will go on… I’m trying to see what you where trying to say in the point you made?

Second, Do you really think your "HERO" Kenny Bell who is in the business of SUPERCHARGERS is going to say ANYTHING supporting an induction system when he can tell you that Induction systems don’t work so you need to buy his supercharger for any real gains... That’s exactly what his entire website is about. Hank, you will "Cut & Past" ANY statement from ANYONE who supports what ever point your trying to get across ... As long as it fits your beliefs then it’s substantiated. But you should at least read what your “CUTTING & PASTTING” so you don’t look foolish… like you do now.

As for me being miss leading... You don’t see us claiming 30+lbs of torque... why don’t you go bark up there tree. We are the FIRST company to NOT inflate our DYNOs... we where advertising 10-12RWHP average gains when all the other guys where claiming 15-20HP gains...and (some still grossly claim 24+HP and 30+TQ) but look what happened... 3 years later.... most of them are now claiming what we have been claiming all along. So this must back up the fact that we did our testing back then and we did NOT try to miss lead our customers in an attempt to get a buck.

Hank, you need a friend or a hobby or perhaps both. You have NOTHING to offer ANY 3rd Gen Ram owner so your advice on 3rd Gen Rams is much less valuable than the advice I have to offer since I have owned a 3rd Gen for over 4 years and I will forget more than you will ever learn about them... and I will bet you have NEVER even been behind the wheel of one. You have misled more 3rd Gen Ram owners with your UN-informed opinions passing them off as facts to the unknowing. Before you attack, know who you are attacking!

Our claims have NEVER changed, we have always claimed 8-12HP(Correction made on 06/28/06 We claim 10-12HP not 8-12... (Like it matters Hank! GAFL)) gains from DAY ONE… there is NOTHING misleading about that, so to even suggest we have been misleading EVER proves that you once again don’t know what your talking about. We have also claimed since the beginning to produce more HP than our competitors who advertise more…. And we have always produced more. Please point out the “Weasel Word” in that statement! Did you forget about the 360 vs. AIR RAM shootout Hank? Ohh that’s right the test where not done to your EXACT specifications… so they did not count… LOL GAFL!

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

 

Ahh,
notice AirRam has quietly dropped his claim from 12 to 8 in the above post?

At that rate of decrease it will be 6 hp on Friday !

At 9 weeks from last Monday?

Maybe 12 ft-lbs at idle speed of 550 rpm.....

Psst AirRam....
here's another hint....go back and read James Watt's original notebooks on what a 'real' horsepower is....turns out he measured several horses' abilities and then DOUBLED that so that no one could claim he was understating what even the best Clydesdale could do compared his steam engine. File that away, you may need it! Weasels need every excuse they can spew - when the truth comes out.