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however, an alignment is always needed anytime you mess with the front end components..suspension, steering or otherwise. it's just a smart thing to do, and it's really not a big deal to get done.
not sure how a body lift is stupid. it may not have the appearance everyone likes, but that comes down to the individual. and it's hardly unsafe. you've probably seen trucks that have been in an accident and the bed or cab has shifted on the BL pucks. if they where hit hard enough for that to happen, and they had an equal height suspension lift instead, it's likely they would've been flopped over on their side since their COG was so much higher. guess i'd rather have a shifted bed than a truck on its side. personally, i'd rather get an extra inch or two or clearance from a body lift and keep my center of gravity down, rather than get that same inch of clearance from a suspension lift, raising my center of gravity more than from a BL, and still having the same amount of room to fit a certain size tire. trust me, on a 2wd truck, unless it's being built to prerun in baja, you are not going to get any performance out of a lift kit....you get the opposite. the kits on the market today will make the ride of a 2wd truck horrible. they are designed for looks, not performance....regardless of what Fabcrap would like to tell you. i generally don't care for the look of a 3" body lift, but for a 2wd truck, there is no better way to gain clearance. it's about clearance for the biggest tire possible which is where you get your ground clearance, and a body lift allows you to do that without making your suspension stupid high. the body lift debate has gone on for years, and it's not going to end anytime soon. people that like them and what they offer, run them. those that don't like them, think they are "stupid". to each their own.
the spacers are desgined as a "leveling kit". pure an simple.......only to level the truck front to back. it's not an issue of performance, it's about the truck looking level. don't see where that is stupid either.
Thats the most since ive heard in while. I had a 3 inch body lift on 3 trucks and I put a couple of them trucks through more hell than very few people will ever consider putting theirs through. My 89 suburban 3 inch body lift with 35s that barely fit. I put an I-beam on the front and made my own trials through the woods. I like to keep my trucks as close two the ground as possible without scrubbing. Ive never had a problem with being top heavy. Ive seen people that put way too much lift with little *** tires. To me it becomes a non-off-road contraption. I like to look good yes but if it doesnt work well I dont want anything to do with it. Why jack it up if your never going to use it? Have fun in life more than trying to impress. The more fun you have, the better the impression. I love to see a truck jacked up in the air, but when they go by 10 inch lift with 35's and it looks to pretty to off road and some dork with money whos never been in the woods, it breaks my heart. lol Na I shouldnt be so mean. Im just a poor ole country boy with common seance. If thats spelled right.Originally Posted by TXST8tj
yeah, i think you're right about the spindle and shocks. i've been out of the IFS world for some time now....since my blazer. however, an alignment is always needed anytime you mess with the front end components..suspension, steering or otherwise. it's just a smart thing to do, and it's really not a big deal to get done.
not sure how a body lift is stupid. it may not have the appearance everyone likes, but that comes down to the individual. and it's hardly unsafe. you've probably seen trucks that have been in an accident and the bed or cab has shifted on the BL pucks. if they where hit hard enough for that to happen, and they had an equal height suspension lift instead, it's likely they would've been flopped over on their side since their COG was so much higher. guess i'd rather have a shifted bed than a truck on its side. personally, i'd rather get an extra inch or two or clearance from a body lift and keep my center of gravity down, rather than get that same inch of clearance from a suspension lift, raising my center of gravity more than from a BL, and still having the same amount of room to fit a certain size tire. trust me, on a 2wd truck, unless it's being built to prerun in baja, you are not going to get any performance out of a lift kit....you get the opposite. the kits on the market today will make the ride of a 2wd truck horrible. they are designed for looks, not performance....regardless of what Fabcrap would like to tell you. i generally don't care for the look of a 3" body lift, but for a 2wd truck, there is no better way to gain clearance. it's about clearance for the biggest tire possible which is where you get your ground clearance, and a body lift allows you to do that without making your suspension stupid high. the body lift debate has gone on for years, and it's not going to end anytime soon. people that like them and what they offer, run them. those that don't like them, think they are "stupid". to each their own.
the spacers are desgined as a "leveling kit". pure an simple.......only to level the truck front to back. it's not an issue of performance, it's about the truck looking level. don't see where that is stupid either.
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the rubber isolators do lift it but ur pretty much saying that if i bore out a motorcycle engine maybe from 250cc to 450cc it wont effect the clutch, size of radiator, amount of oil etc will it? everythin will have a larger strain and parts will wear quicker as u romp it.Originally Posted by perfectlytuned
and what makes it wrong? the rubber isolators on the body mount already lift it from the frame. what's your point?
[/quote]umm, a body lift lifts the body...it doesn't lower anything. the engine will not move from it's stock location.[/quote]
what i meant to say was that u will riding in ur cab 3 inches higher than what it was stock or in other words the engine will be 3 inches lower than how it was.
[/quote]exactly. fabtech has horrible quality control and makes a poor quality product. the ride after one of their coil lifts would be terrible. unless you step up to a full out custom racing designed system (which isn't even practical), the 2wd kits on the market today are not worth the headache. go jump your truck with a fabtech lift on it and then tell me you gained performance when the front end crumbles. [/quote]
thats why u have to know ur limits. i would never jump my truck unless i spent 20 grand on suspension. lifting any vehicle will make handleing slightly crapier and think about it fabtech is a widely known off road performance dealer who has tested there products. so maybe the idea of coilover suspension isnt the greatest but some like em.
my comment about the spacer staying in place was in response to eltupac's mention of bolt-in spacers.
[/quote]a fender flare is not going to make any more room for a bigger tire.[/quote]
ur right
[/quote]isn't that the point of lifting a vehicle?.....to fit a larger tire. you get ground clearance from tire size. the bigger the tire, the more ground clearance. you gain nothing by lifting a truck 4" or whatever and retaining a factory height tire.[/quote]
wat good are larger tires if u have crappy axle articulation as well as wheelhop and driveline bind because of the increased leverage on the axle? u want clearance for larger obstacles correct? how do u expect to get over them safely with the stock suspension?
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Why dont you just admit that you havent really done any off-roading. I have 4 off-road trucks and you need to listen more than try to come up with your own ideas. The best way to find out anything is to do it and learn what is important. Knowing how to drive is the greats asset to your truck. Then learn your truck, and then the your limits and the trucks limits of where you can go. I have even been in the same places Ive been through before and went around it because I didnt feel right about it that day. Just because you know all the fancy words and parts doesnt mean your right. Ive pulled many guys out that sound like that with less of everything in my truck. I really dont mean to sound like an ***. Sorry. The best way to learn is not some off road salesmen, hes just gonna make ya feel paranoid to buy stuff. Ask somebody who really gets out there for the love of it. Later.
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the rubber isolators do lift it but ur pretty much saying that if i bore out a motorcycle engine maybe from 250cc to 450cc it wont effect the clutch, size of radiator, amount of oil etc will it? everythin will have a larger strain and parts will wear quicker as u romp it.Originally Posted by perfectlytuned
and what makes it wrong? the rubber isolators on the body mount already lift it from the frame. what's your point?
[/quote]umm, a body lift lifts the body...it doesn't lower anything. the engine will not move from it's stock location.[/quote]
what i meant to say was that u will riding in ur cab 3 inches higher than what it was stock or in other words the engine will be 3 inches lower than how it was.
[/quote]exactly. fabtech has horrible quality control and makes a poor quality product. the ride after one of their coil lifts would be terrible. unless you step up to a full out custom racing designed system (which isn't even practical), the 2wd kits on the market today are not worth the headache. go jump your truck with a fabtech lift on it and then tell me you gained performance when the front end crumbles. [/quote]
thats why u have to know ur limits. i would never jump my truck unless i spent 20 grand on suspension. lifting any vehicle will make handleing slightly crapier and think about it fabtech is a widely known off road performance dealer who has tested there products. so maybe the idea of coilover suspension isnt the greatest but some like em.
my comment about the spacer staying in place was in response to eltupac's mention of bolt-in spacers.
[/quote]a fender flare is not going to make any more room for a bigger tire.[/quote]
ur right
[/quote]isn't that the point of lifting a vehicle?.....to fit a larger tire. you get ground clearance from tire size. the bigger the tire, the more ground clearance. you gain nothing by lifting a truck 4" or whatever and retaining a factory height tire.[/quote]
wat good are larger tires if u have crappy axle articulation as well as wheelhop and driveline bind because of the increased leverage on the axle? u want clearance for larger obstacles correct? how do u expect to get over them safely with the stock suspension?
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Why dont you just admit that you havent really done any off-roading. I have 4 off-road trucks and you need to listen more than try to come up with your own ideas. The best way to find out anything is to do it and learn what is important. Knowing how to drive is the greatest asset to your truck. Then learn your truck, and then the your limits and the trucks limits of where you can go. I have even been in the same places Ive been through before and went around it because I didnt feel right about it that day. Just because you know all the fancy words and parts doesnt mean your right. Ive pulled many guys out that sound like that with less of everything in my truck. I really dont mean to sound like an ***. Sorry. The best way to learn is not some off road salesmen, hes just gonna make ya feel paranoid to buy stuff. Ask somebody who really gets out there for the love of it. Later.