Last time I checked the standard air filters also had a metal screen on them.

 

The mouse deal is a lot less likely to happen then the DIRT that gets in the engine through that K&N. Start doing oil analysis then report whats found.

 

In my case the main issue with oil type filters is how easily they clog in dusty environments. Unless you run a prefilter it is really easy to completely gunk a K&N. Found that out the hard way one day with one of my jeeps.

 

Not always true.... go to your local parts store, open a few box`s on the low dollar standard air filters and look for yourself.

 

Yup i would have to agree with you on that, if its a wet design, yes it will plug up easier in dusty conditions. But less likely in my case where i live.

 

I will, just for my own piece of mind. I dont dought what you guys are saying, i`ll let the oil analysis do the speaking for me.

 

What gets me is I got the dusted engine advice from a dealer in the west coast climate where dust really isn't an issue. I had heard that before and kept a close eye on it but when the dealer tells me to get rid of the K&N I'll listen.

 

Trust me, the dealership is doing more damage to your vehicle by you letting them work on it than that K&N will ever do in a lifetime...lol. I can only think of one good reason why a dealership would tell you bullsh!t like that... THEY`RE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY OFF FROM YOU because the K&N does not need to be replaced, so therfore they cant sell you a new factory paper air filter and profit from you.

And something else i thought of with using the K&N in my mouse case issue:
If i had NOT been running a K&N when a mouse tried to chew thru it, i would have had tons of dirt running into my engine and not know it until it was too late... the K&N air filter i use has a metal screen on both sides of the filter material, the standard paper filter does NOT. If the stock air filter had been in my truck when the mouse chewed it, ther would have been a great big open hole in the filter and dirt would have gotten into the engine for a long period of time before i would have known. Soooooooooo, the K&N saved my engine because the mouse couldnt get passed the screen side facing the air box...! Until i do a total oil analysis using both styles of air filters, it still remains to be seen which style air filter is superior. As of right now, the K&N is winning everytime for me. Also, i dont keep a vehicle for very long, that K&N is never going to do enough "so called dirt damage" in the length of time that i own a vehicle. Every 3 to 4 years, i`m into a brand new vehicle.

 

LU229. Your far worse in your advise then any dealer I know. I ran and worked in shops 30 years. I and others always advised not to use cheap filters or K&N!!!! You use then all you want. I hope truck owners listen to shops about not using them.

 

I run the AFE stage 2 intake and love it.. These people who say there are no gains are entirely wrong. The HP gains are in the peak and upper rpms, thats why they feel there are no gains but they are definetly there...on my last truck I did a before and after dyno run with a k&N intake kit and picked up 16 Hp/20Tq, (going to try and locate the graphs if I can find them). Fact is fact and opinion is opinion, remenber that...
However you do lose some low end torque with the aftermarkets, very few though and not a siggnificant amount to notice.
No trashing the drop in filter idea either but for me the Hp gain and sound mixed of my intake with my mufflex is def. worth it..
Oh and the guy who said he picked up 2 mpg with a drop in K&N filter is full of you know what. I would bet my left ******** he's driving like a straight puss if he noticed that kinda of gain.....