Finally - Tundra down!
#31
That's right, both front and back need changed. If not, the front wheels will spin at a different rate than the back with 4x4 engaged. In mud and snow, this isn't a big deal because the tires will slip, but if they grab the ground it will be devastating for your trans. case. Especially aluminum chain driven cases that are used today. This is so critical that even tread wear on the tires becomes an issue.
Gear swaps are fairly easy as long as you know what your doing. If you don't know what your doing, it can take a lot of research and time to complete the project. The shimming and backlash are the big issues here, you put it together if it's not right you take it apart and use more shims.
#32
I once saw a dyno sheet on an 07 qc hemi 4x4 which were supposedly 360ish showing 245 at the wheels. I know you guys are going to laugh at that but that's what I saw. Also I think dodge/chrysler whatever you want to call them have allways had problems getting the power to the road. my.02
If anything, Chrysler is usually pretty conservative with their numbers. The srts always dynoed either right on or slightly higher. They even listed the to the wheel numbers as the advertised numbers on the srt4s when they first came out.
#33
I guess I'll add my own story lol.
I was on 16 mile the other day(50mph, 3 lanes). These guys in a chromed out Ford Super Duty were checking out my truck. They honked at me, and I rolled down my window. "hey man, that's the best looking dodge I've ever seen" I said thanks, and we chatted for a second, and the driver said "let's run them."
Ok, so they've got 4 people in a truck that is already twice as big as mine. I thought I saw supercharged on the badge, but I didn't hear any whine. Anyways, I'm not sure what he thought would happen, but it was the quickest roll race ever. We went from 35 to 50 and I stopped at the speed limit already having 2-3 trucks on him.
My buddy has a 2004 lightning, and we ran at the track(actually another friend was driving my truck). He usually runs mid 13s, so I was expecting my truck to get walked. The Ford won, but it was neck and neck the entire length both races. .2 separated them on the final run. Not great times(14.6/93) because of the weather(over 80 degress, rain in the morning and super humid), but the corrected time for my truck was 14.0 at 96. 87 octane, truck full of luggage That was in Thunder Valley on the Hot Rod Power Tour.
I'll update my sig to show the truck.
I was on 16 mile the other day(50mph, 3 lanes). These guys in a chromed out Ford Super Duty were checking out my truck. They honked at me, and I rolled down my window. "hey man, that's the best looking dodge I've ever seen" I said thanks, and we chatted for a second, and the driver said "let's run them."
Ok, so they've got 4 people in a truck that is already twice as big as mine. I thought I saw supercharged on the badge, but I didn't hear any whine. Anyways, I'm not sure what he thought would happen, but it was the quickest roll race ever. We went from 35 to 50 and I stopped at the speed limit already having 2-3 trucks on him.
My buddy has a 2004 lightning, and we ran at the track(actually another friend was driving my truck). He usually runs mid 13s, so I was expecting my truck to get walked. The Ford won, but it was neck and neck the entire length both races. .2 separated them on the final run. Not great times(14.6/93) because of the weather(over 80 degress, rain in the morning and super humid), but the corrected time for my truck was 14.0 at 96. 87 octane, truck full of luggage That was in Thunder Valley on the Hot Rod Power Tour.
I'll update my sig to show the truck.
#34
The advertised hp is different than the actual hp to the wheels, it varies between vehicles and unfortunately its usually extreme with dodge. They get there hp numbers staright from the flywheel. You put this thing on a dyno and it will pull around the advertised hp of the 3rd gen hemis.
My last truck was an 08 cummins with 350hp...lol it pulled under 300 on the dyno. I've seen the same with this truck
My last truck was an 08 cummins with 350hp...lol it pulled under 300 on the dyno. I've seen the same with this truck
All of the accessories, the transmission, and transfer case all require a percentage of the engine's torque. The transmission on the 2009 probably needs 50+ HP to work. So, when you dyno it, you are going to have 390HP minus accessories minus transmission minus transfer case minus spinning a driveshaft minus spinning the axle that has 32" tires on it. That may only equal 275 HP.
You put this thing on a dyno and it will pull around the advertised hp of the 3rd gen hemis.
#35
This is from Truckin'
Keep in mind that different brand dynos read differently too. The two I see the most are Mustang and Jet.
The Ram is by far the hot rod of the group. In last year's test, on the same exact dyno, our '08 Hemi Ram put down only 245 hp. This year, with the same engine displacement, the '09 Ram put down a solid 300 hp. In an impromptu acceleration test between the Ram and the Tundra, the Ram easily accelerated away.
#36
Hypertech's dyno is listing the STOCK RWHP of an 09 Hemi Ram at about 340HP:
http://www.hypertech.com/media/dynoc...i_trucksuv.pdf
http://www.hypertech.com/media/dynoc...i_trucksuv.pdf
#38
Have tried several times to get a Tundra to run me but no takers. Tonight I got my chance, caught up to a 5.7L Tundra and a red light. I was prepared for a close contest - it wasn't really. We both hit it same time and I can report his 6 speed and his gears did him absolutely no good. It might have been close for the first few seconds and then it was all Hemi all the way and it got progressively worse for him as we went on. My tail lights well in his view by 50ish I shut it down at 60. He caught up and flew by, but it was pointless. Near as I can tell it was a QC (smaller back door) and a 2WD. Aside from a K&N drop in, I am all stock.
Last edited by 1954Radio; 06-24-2009 at 09:43 PM.
#39
Thats ok Blown287 is going to hook me up with a blower and help me get the fuel mapping right. I dont think i want 14lbs of boost though, i dont have that much faith in the bottom end of these engines. Are our hemi's 2 or 4 bolt mains? Didnt they up the compression in 2009? Hell considering the state of the auto industry its probably got a plastic crank.
Lee
Lee
I have an engine compression sheet I build on excel and that is how I gauge my alcohol fuel maps. The only problem with the 09 Hemi's are the current compression ratios. I honestly don't know if boost can safely be ran on them in stock configuration.
#40
I started with 11psi and tested to see how much it would take to alarm the knock sensors. That gave me the confidence to move up to the 3.25" pulley for 14psi. That is as high as I will go.
I have an engine compression sheet I build on excel and that is how I gauge my alcohol fuel maps. The only problem with the 09 Hemi's are the current compression ratios. I honestly don't know if boost can safely be ran on them in stock configuration.
I have an engine compression sheet I build on excel and that is how I gauge my alcohol fuel maps. The only problem with the 09 Hemi's are the current compression ratios. I honestly don't know if boost can safely be ran on them in stock configuration.
My concern exactly at 10.5:1 you start adding too much boost and even if you do get the fuel/air mixture right (which i know nothing about) seems like you might start having problem on the bottom end. Does anyone know if the 5.7L Hemi is a 2 or 4 bolt main???? I remember in the early 80's GM took a gas bottom end engine and "adapted" it to a diesel engine in their trucks. To say it didnt work out well would be an understatement. Anyone know how much horsepower someone has gotten a stock hemi short block to reliably produce? There has to be some guys out there hammering on a 5.7L mopar crate engine.
Lee