Also, in that thread, noesp asks for the service manual to look at the wiring diagrams.

Here is the link if you want to send it to them:

http://www.4shared.com/file/10752575...e258/2009.html

 

Thanks. I actually copied and pasted a picture of the dynamics sensor and sent it to them.

I have been doing a lot of research and it seems all that our Charger buddies have to do is wire in a switch to the power wire of the dynamics sensor. The Noesp version is basically a timer that allows you to use the stock switch and disable ESP. Noesp still just cuts power to the dynamics sensor.

BUT, if we try this we may find ourselves at the dealership with a DTC (check engine light). The dynamics sensor has two DTC's.

C2204-DYNAMICS SENSOR INTERNAL
U0125-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH DYNAMICS SENSOR

And there is a note from the service manual, "If the Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module, Steering Angle Sensor (SAS), or the Dynamics Sensor was replaced, it must be initialized using the scan tool. If not initialized, the ABS indicator will flash continuously with no DTCs. To initialize the ABS Module and clear offsets have wheels pointing straight ahead and follow the directions on the scan tool. The drive test requires a 90° turn. If the Dynamics Sensor was replaced, test drive the vehicle by turning the vehicle left or right in a curving manner at a velocity between 10 and 25 km/h (6 and 15 mph)."

So, if someone wants to try cutting the power to the dynamics sensor, go ahead, but be warned, I will not be responsible for any negative results. I will also not be responsible for a trip to the dealer. If someone tries it, it is at their own risk.

I am also going to talk to my dealer today when I have the HVAC recall done. I want to see what they know about ESP and if there is a trick to turn it off not listed in the service manual.

 

(I posted this too late, sorry)I know for a fact that the module they sell now no esp.will NOT work as of right now, the module only removes the main power wire to the dynamic sensor, which is in the middle of the truck, under the seat or inside the console, it will work correctly if you cut this wire but will not go back to stock when you connect the wire back , you have to got to the dealer to get it re-initialized, a better way would be to have a relay to disconnect the front sensor ABS wires then put them back, it will still set a code for the sensors being removed, but wont be as drastic, as dealer trips, I contacted No ESP On memorial day ,when I bought my truck , and sent him the specs and schematics, he told me that he couldnt do it. Its not a simple as the 3 way ESP switch on the SRT-8's and ther POLICE cars.I am still looking, the other switch uses a 555 timer and a latching relay to do it, I made one and installed it,but as stated above , it does not work, DO NOT CUT THIS WIRE

 

Thanks for the input! Everything you stated is what I just spent a few hours researching. I like learning for myself anyway!

Did you or someone else actually cut that power wire?

For all interested, this is what needs to be done if you mess with the dynamics sensor. So in short, don't mess with it.

ABS VERIFICATION TEST
WARNING: To avoid possible serious or fatal injury, check brake capability is available before road testing.


NOTE: If the Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module, Steering Angle Sensor (SAS), or the Dynamics Sensor was replaced, it must be initialized using the scan tool. If not initialized, the ABS indicator will flash continuously with no DTCs. To initialize the ABS Module and clear offsets have wheels pointing straight ahead and follow the directions on the scan tool. The drive test requires a 90° turn. If the Dynamics Sensor was replaced, test drive the vehicle by turning the vehicle left or right in a curving manner at a velocity between 10 and 25 km/h (6 and 15 mph).
1.Turn the ignition off.
2.Connect all previously disconnected components and connectors.
3.Verify all accessories are turned off and the battery is fully charged.
4.Verify that the ignition is on, with the scan tool, erase all Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) from All modules. Start the engine and allow it to run for two minutes and fully operate the system that was indicating the failure.
5.Turn the ignition off and wait five seconds. Turn the ignition on and using the scan tool, read DTCs from all modules.
6.If any Diagnostic Trouble Codes are present, (Refer to 28 - DTC-Based Diagnostics/MODULE, Antilock Brake (ABS) - Diagnosis and Testing) and perform the diagnostic procedure.
7.NOTE: For Sensor Signal and Pump Motor faults, the ABS Module must sense all 4 wheels at 12 km/h (7.5 mph) before it will extinguish the ABS indicator.
8.If there are no DTCs present after turning ignition on, road test the vehicle for at least five minutes. Perform several anti-lock braking stops.
9.Again, with the scan tool read DTCs. If any DTCs are present, (Refer to 28 - DTC-Based Diagnostics/MODULE, Antilock Brake (ABS) - Diagnosis and Testing) for the diagnostic procedure and troubleshoot the new or recurring DTC.
10.If there are no Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) present, and the customer's concern can no longer be duplicated, the repair is complete.

Are any DTCs present or is the original concern still present?

Yes

• Repair is not complete, perform the appropriate diagnostic procedure.(Refer to 28 - DTC-Based Diagnostics/MODULE, Antilock Brake (ABS) - Diagnosis and Testing).

No

• Repair is complete.

This is what needs to be done after replacing the sensor. When they say replace, I think it also includes cutting the power wire while the truck is running.

 

As to ABS sensors, I do not want to reset the PCM every time I decide to turn off ESP, however little that may actually be.

I think Dodge read up on the Charger method and Noesp and tightened up the programming so nobody could mess with the system.

The Charger "key trick", turning the key to start at >10 MPH, does not work either.

I am going to keep looking.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/BornRaisedInCSA

I found this youtube video of Noesp not working in a 2009 Ram.

 

That vid was posted up on another forum. IIRC, the poster said that he did that with no NOESP module, but he didn't remember exactly how. He went on to say that he would try to replicate what he did, and post it up later, but never did. It looks as though he turns esp off, back on, and does something with the 4wd switch. I tried to figure it out for 30 min. or so and then gave up.

 

I am getting a copy of a Charger service manual to see what they have going on.

 

Here is the thread:

http://www.talk.com/forums/showthrea...&highlight=esp

You will have to type in dodge between www. and talk

 

Well, I found this in a Charger service manual. It seems that they have the EXACT procedure as we do. I am wondering if the Charger method will work. They have no problems cutting the power wire...


ABS VERIFICATION TEST — VER 1

WARNING: Ensure braking capability is available before road testing.
NOTE: If the ABM (Anti-Lock Brake Module), SAS (Steering Angle Sensor), Dynamics Sensor was replaced,
it must be initialized using the scan tool. If not initialized, the ABS indicator will flash continuously with no
DTCs. To initialize the ABM and clear offsets have wheels pointing straight ahead and follow the directions
on the scan tool. The drive test requires a 90° turn. If the Dynamics Sensor was replaced, test drive the
vehicle by turning the vehicle left or right in a curving manner at a velocity between 10 and 25 km/hr (6 and
15 m.p.h.).