cpelton thanx,
can u send the exact type of bully u bought?
& the process u used on it to program the fogs?

thanx, i will buy it!...

 

Man, the vitriol spouted on both sides... Sheesh...

Yes, there are rational reasons and even laws that preclude combo Fogs and High-beams.
But at the same time, everyone needs to take a simple look at the cars approaching you along the road at night and count the lights. All those 4-light vehicles are NOT decked out with lightbars, nor are they frustrated Off-Road Racers. A very large percentage of vehicles are sold with fog-lights as standard or as a common option.

A large segment of the driving public USE their fog-lights regularly. Why ?? It's not rampant arrogance. Well, maybe a bit of it is... But, it's other things too.

People have become more aware of the effect of good lighting on their safety. (Just like acknowledging that more massive vehicles are generally safer leads to greater sales of SUVs even though fuel efficiency suffers.) Yet the actual "quality" of lighting patterns has been very hit-and-miss for years, as car designers work to fit headlight clusters to various aerodynamic and artistic design factors (and source parts from lowest bidder). There seem to be no standards, and no agreement on which lighting parameters are most important to strive for (brightness, distance, spread, coverage).
As well, nighttime driving lighting needs differ for individual usage. So many folks live in and drive nearly exclusively in cities and suburbs (with copious streetlights making headlights almost redundant), that this actually effects the weighting that designers use to justify their results. Then there are folks who live or drive far from the cities, where other factors are emphasised. Wildlife and road debris call for both lengthy beams and broad coverage - deer hiding just off the shoulder verges cannot be seen if headlight beams generate a "tunnel of light". They NEED some additional lateral lighting - which the fogs provide even at the expense of additional "less-controlled" light projected forward into the face of oncoming drivers.
Myself, while living in the 'burbs of a very large metropolis, I also do 1000's miles of driving through wildlife infested countryside. I feel that I really NEED the additional lateral lighting that is only provided on stock RAMs by use of the fog-lights. I forgo the high-beams in favor of the low-beam and fog-light combo because of that - even when driving highways and freeways. It's not enough to see reflectorized signs 3/4th mile down the straight, if I cannot see the deer that is daring to flinch into my path 50 yards ahead. Nor if I cannot tell which way the road twists as I come over a short rise.
It's the only recourse I have to the poor combination of compromises that Dodge engineers made on our headlight clusters. And I'll feel self-conscious about it - maybe even try to "down-aim" the fog-lights a bit. Or turn them off in-town or in high-traffic situations. But I'll choose my driving safety over courtesy to oncoming drivers.

 

Aimed headlights up 5 turns and installed bypass relay - fogs stay on with highs. Nice!

 

RamR/T,
can u send me the relay bypass step by step.
If u dont mind. so i can do it allsow.
please?!...

thanx,
caca

 

I am convinced that some of you are blind, especially the ones driving in the real dark with high beams or lows with fogs....your choice,these lights are very bright and the truck is actually kind high for the headlights so I find fogs and lows are the best and yes I tested coming at it with a car and it's not as bad as some of the trucks and people using brighter bulbs and stuff. Wasn't one where I wanted to automatically get on the high beam switch to let em know. There is a condition people get as they age and not even that young sometimes where they have a tough time driving at night because of vision.

My father had a courier business and he got a run that paid huge money only required a small car(we leased a brand new Topaz 84 I believe it was) anyway myself and my sister and my wife did the trip since it was a middle of the night job 4 hours one way. My father could drive in the city at night but out on the highway in the dark he could not get lights bright enough so he paid us to do it and he still made money.

So maybe some of you guys should get your eyes tested, seriously, I do every 2 years like your supposed to.

 

In my neck of the woods - which is the burbs - there is little to no justification to run fogs in normal driving conditions. As such I see more rampant arrogance than justifiable use. However, your point is well taken that there are "other things" that might require fogs in clear conditions. Such as your point...

I "think" you and I agree here, but I would stress that in wildlife heavy areas you have to slow down to decrease your stopping distance should deer or other animals decide you need to share the road. In this case the fogs are indeed a help as they do illuminate the road edges better than the standard low beams - or high beams. But if your running the high beams beacuse you (and that's a generic you - not "you" in particular) are driving at a rate of speed that requires that degree of illumination, then you would be driving too fast for a wildlife infested area and I doubt the fogs would have helped to begin with.

Here in Texas we have several areas where the deer are thick as theives and it's a very common sight to see dead deer on the side of the road. I've even managed to find a cow in the middle of a 70mph section of road one evening. And that was out in the country where there were no street lights at all. Now THAT was scarry as the cow had no intentions of moving out of the road.

 

so what do u guys think i should do?

just live the truck alone & its just me the problem?

i am going 2 the doctor on monday...

 

Here it is:
http://www.bullydog.com/product/inde..._detail/289/10

 

The factory fog lights, while they may not be driving lights, STILL make a HUGE difference at night. As I said (and you quoted), TURN THEM OFF WHEN YOU APPROACH ANOTHER CAR. Only an ******* rides behind someone with the high beams on. Why spend money on a set of cheap crap from AutoZone and have a cobbled together mess of wires in a brand new $40,000 truck? I stand by my original post, the law is wrong and is intended for your average brain dead idiot with no common sense and consideration for others. People with a brain in their skull should be exempt.

 

I think if the dealer changes the "country code" on your truck to something other than us or canada it opens up several more options on the starscan, such as fogs on with highbeams.
the mexico setting might work, or try one of the european settings.

These countries have less guidelines on lighting laws and restrictions.
for you guys in the U.S you might also be able to enable drl's if you choose.

Good luck.